Congress again passes kids health bill

[GoodFella]

if this bill makes is i am going on well fair and i will let friends use my ebt card to buy junk food $.50 on the $1 so i can buy beer scratchers and cigs with there cash.

no i would just buy my cigars on line from from some where els. i dont want to help buy a hilary a new car.

the dems are just trying to make the rep look bad now so they can win later

[Bigwaved]

Originally Posted by GoodFella

if this bill makes is i am going on well fair and i will let friends use my ebt card to buy junk food $.50 on the $1 so i can buy beer scratchers and cigs with there cash.

no i would just buy my cigars on line from from some where els. i dont want to help buy a hilary a new car.

the dems are just trying to make the rep look bad now so they can win later

Did you borrow Booker's keyboard?

[ScottishSmoker]

I am glad that Bush is vetoing this bill...it keeps this country far away from being a state run Socialist country. The line in the SCHIP bill that entertains me the most is the line deciding for the nation that $83,000.00 is the line of poverty...every state has their own right to decide the line of poverty. Unfortunately, over the next four years this country is going to be totally f*%$ed with the large amount of people who are going to vote wrongly based entirely on the opinions of Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. Record numbers of new voters in the coming election are going to be voting with an uneducated stance ultimately electing the wrong candidate.

[Bigwaved]

Originally Posted by ScottishSmoker

I am glad that Bush is vetoing this bill...it keeps this country far away from being a state run Socialist country. The line in the SCHIP bill that entertains me the most is the line deciding for the nation that $83,000.00 is the line of poverty...every state has their own right to decide the line of poverty. Unfortunately, over the next four years this country is going to be totally f*%$ed with the large amount of people who are going to vote wrongly based entirely on the opinions of Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. Record numbers of new voters in the coming election are going to be voting with an uneducated stance ultimately electing the wrong candidate.

I think youy may be misunderstanding the poverty line. The figure you quote is a multiple of it, not it, I believe. As far as your statement regarding uneducated voters...well, one could argue that this has been happening for quite some time now. Believe it or not, both parties have their fools. An interesting poll shows over 3/4ths of people asked believe the country is headed in the wrong direction right now. Given your take on why, the Neilson ratings for the shows they are on must be through the roof...Or, maybe they are tired of the comedian they have been forced to listen to for the last six years.

[glking]

Originally Posted by Bigwaved

An interesting poll shows over 3/4ths of people asked believe the country is headed in the wrong direction right now.

I wonder why? Even though the US economy is stronger than it has ever been, and US citizens are more prosperous than they have ever been, all we ever see on the news is stories about how bad the economy supposedly is.

If people are stupid enough to believe the drive-by media, then they probably do think the country is headed in the wrong direction.

In the poll you quote, who was polled, and what was the exact question?

[GoodFella]

Originally Posted by Bigwaved

Did you borrow Booker's keyboard?

who Tj?
i dont think so

[Bigwaved]

Originally Posted by glking

I wonder why? Even though the US economy is stronger than it has ever been, and US citizens are more prosperous than they have ever been, all we ever see on the news is stories about how bad the economy supposedly is.

If people are stupid enough to believe the drive-by media, then they probably do think the country is headed in the wrong direction.

In the poll you quote, who was polled, and what was the exact question?

Maybe people are not listening to the drive-by media that touts a bustling economy and how prosperous they are. Maybe they are looking at the impending forclosure of their home or the outsourcing of their jobs or the declining strenght of the U.S. dollar worldwide. Or, just maybe, they are one of the unemployed that are knocked off the statistics of the unemployed % not from obtaining a job, but instead because their benefits ran out from being unemployed to for so long. There are plenty of possiblities. Another would be that some may care more about things than strictly the economy when judging the direction we are headed.

[Bigwaved]

Originally Posted by GoodFella

who Tj?
i dont think so

No, the one on this board.

[GoodFella]

[SIZE=3]So let me get this right. I should give my money away to someone who can’t [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]keep a job to take care of there kids. They loss there house because they loss [/SIZE]
there job. They loss there job to china right? We also should give money to every one who comes over illegal also?

[SIZE=3]Do you care about the kids in the countries that this bill will be taking food out of there mouth. A lot of countries hate Americans do you want to add some more to that list.[/SIZE]

[glking]

Originally Posted by Bigwaved

Maybe people are not listening to the drive-by media that touts a bustling economy and how prosperous they are. Maybe they are looking at the impending forclosure of their home or the outsourcing of their jobs or the declining strenght of the U.S. dollar worldwide. Or, just maybe, they are one of the unemployed that are knocked off the statistics of the unemployed % not from obtaining a job, but instead because their benefits ran out from being unemployed to for so long. There are plenty of possiblities. Another would be that some may care more about things than strictly the economy when judging the direction we are headed.

Myybe, maybe,...maybe people shouldn't have signed for loans they knew they would't be able to pay.


Lets talk FACTS:

Unemployment claims make surprise drop

Thursday, September 20, 2007 8:37 AM





WASHINGTON (AP) -- The number of laid-off workers filing claims for unemployment benefits fell to the lowest level in seven weeks, an unexpected sign of improvement for the jobs market.
The Labor Department reported Thursday that new applications for unemployment benefits totaled 311,000 last week, a drop of 9,000 from the previous week. It marked the lowest level for jobless claims since July 28.

[AAlmeter]

Originally Posted by Corona Gigante

The NHS is a HUGELY popular program in the UK. Not even Margaret Thatcher or Tony Blair was able to privatize it. I agree with you, though, Adam, that only a bozo would see it as a failure.

If the government gave away beer and blow jobs it would be popular too...but that doesnt mean its a good idea.


And of course it has been a great success....thats why you fly back for every toothache, right?

[Bigwaved]

Originally Posted by glking

Myybe, maybe,...maybe people shouldn't have signed for loans they knew they would't be able to pay.


Lets talk FACTS:

Unemployment claims make surprise drop

Thursday, September 20, 2007 8:37 AM





WASHINGTON (AP) -- The number of laid-off workers filing claims for unemployment benefits fell to the lowest level in seven weeks, an unexpected sign of improvement for the jobs market.
The Labor Department reported Thursday that new applications for unemployment benefits totaled 311,000 last week, a drop of 9,000 from the previous week. It marked the lowest level for jobless claims since July 28.

LOL. Yup. You are selling people short on intelligence to wade through the media spin, yet you assume they are able to figure out the complexities of a loan. Classic. It is also a fact that the drive-by media you speak of cherry picked such a small frame of reference as well. How are we doing over the last six years? I am fairly sure the people in this counrty will need more than a blip on the screen to draw a conclusion towards a positive trend.

[AAlmeter]

Originally Posted by Bigwaved

How are we doing over the last six years? I am fairly sure the people in this counrty will need more than a blip on the screen to draw a conclusion towards a positive trend.

Down about 1% over the past 5-6 years

[glking]

Originally Posted by Bigwaved

LOL. Yup. You are selling people short on intelligence to wade through the media spin, yet you assume they are able to figure out the complexities of a loan. Classic. It is also a fact that the drive-by media you speak of cherry picked such a small frame of reference as well. How are we doing over the last six years? I am fairly sure the people in this counrty will need more than a blip on the screen to draw a conclusion towards a positive trend.

You had to ask....

Here are more FACTS:

Fact Sheet: October 2007 Marks Record 50th Consecutive Month of Job Growth

8.31 Million Jobs Created Since August 2003 In Longest Continuous Months Of Job Growth On Record
November 2, 2007, the Bureau of Labor Statistics released new jobs figures – 166,000 jobs created in October. Since August 2003, 8.31 million jobs have been created, with 1.68 million jobs created over the 12 months that ended in October. Our economy has now added jobs for 50 straight months – the longest period of uninterrupted job growth on record. The unemployment rate remains low at 4.7 percent.
The U.S. Economy Remains Strong, Flexible, And Dynamic

• Real GDP grew at a strong 3.9 percent in the third quarter of 2007. The economy has now experienced six years of uninterrupted growth, averaging 2.8 percent a year since 2001.

• Real after-tax per capita personal income has risen by 12.7 percent – an average of over $3,800 per person – since President Bush took office.

• Real wages rose 1.2 percent over the 12 months that ended in September. This rise is faster than the average rate during the 1990s.

• Since the first quarter of 2001, productivity growth has averaged 2.6 percent per year. This growth is well above average productivity growth in the 1990s, 1980s, and 1970s.

• The deficit today is at 1.2 percent of GDP, well below the 40-year average. Economic growth contributed to a 6.7 percent rise in tax receipts in FY 2007, following an increase of 11.8 percent in FY 2006.

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Originally Posted by glking

Myybe, maybe,...maybe people shouldn't have signed for loans they knew they would't be able to pay.

Just going to jump in here for a moment to add one point re:the "subprime crisis". You cannot simply say it the fault of people taking out loans in a haphazard fashion. It does play a role, but it is far more complicated than that.

Some people were overzealous investors spurred on by the giant leaps in housing market along with historic low interest rates. They took out loans because they assumed their purchase would appreciate in the booming market and they could then sell the house before the adjustable rate kicked in. These people were speculators and not just schmoes taking out loans they couldn't pay back. When you gamble, sometimes you lose.

Others were irresponsible, and didn't read the fine print or didnt plan their finances very well.

And finally, the big banks. They made A FORTUNE securitizing these subprime loans and as with anything where people are getting rich, they became less and less concerned with the old underwriting standards used to filter who was eligible to be given loans. Further, fortunes were made using predatory lending practices because the banks cutting the loans were turning right around and selling the loans as securities and were no longer concerned with people defaulting.

So, sorry for the OT stuff, but wanted to clear up what I perceived to be an oversimplification.