Congress again passes kids health bill

[GoodFella]

good luck with things
i am done
we are trying to change every one and we wont
have fund with your cigars see you around

[Bigwaved]

So, let us tally the score here:

I have been accused of being unhappy.
I have been accused of distrusting and disliking my country.
I have been accused of being stuck in this country.
I have been accused of predicting the end of the world.
And, I have been lumped in with an imaginary group of people smoking dope in a bong maybe while watching Michael Moore.

Sweet. I suppose I can skip my counseling session with Lucy on Peanuts with all this help from the select few experts that so generously want to help me...

[Bigwaved]

Originally Posted by GoodFella

liberals

See, that is closed minded. I am a moderate. You seem to think anyone who does not agree with you lock, stock and barrel must be a liberal.

[Bigwaved]

Originally Posted by GoodFella

good luck with things
i am done
we are trying to change every one and we wont
have fund with your cigars see you around

Yes, calling people bong smoking, Michael Moore watching liberals is usually the best way to change anyone's mind about something...

[AAlmeter]

Originally Posted by Bigwaved

You, my friend, are assuming a lot. That, my friend, does not surprise me. You, my friend, are easily confused, in my opinion. I, on the other hand, do not confuse my country and what it stands for. I know for sure it is not poor policy or politics. That surely escapes you, but again, I am not surprised by this. I am not offended by your assumption though. I know exactly how I feel. So, you can keep your sympathy. I can do without it.

Lets please keep this civil. In accordance with the new unofficial CS policy, you have committed a hate crime by using moderate strength words in your argument. All political discussion must be kept extremely passive otherwise it will be ceased.

Onwards...you are correct, you did not use the worlds "the world is ending". I apologize for putting words in your mouth. I do, however, find it funny that in this thread you have said that:

-you cannot base estimates of the economy on 7 weeks of data because its too short
-you cannot base estimates of the economy on 7 +/- years of data because its probably a lie
-we are losing middle income jobs, but are growing 2 new lower income jobs for every middle income job lost
-and I'm sure, somewhere, I could find a post about how we're losing lower income jobs as they are being shipped overseas


While I have neither the time nor the interest to attempt to persuade you in any direction, I just hope you can see while people can get frustrated in talking to you. There just isn't a path to follow. You show no cause and effect, no reasons for your beliefs, no evidence to back up your opinion. Its cool that you have an opinion and everything, and it is certainly your right to have one, but it is difficult to discuss it when it seems to come out of thin air.

But, I must admit, it is fun...so here is my opinion based on 0 facts:

Hillary Clinton is a really Chinese man, Hung So Lo, who has been stealing government and industrial secrets for years and will, using his legs of steel, run this country into communism.

[Bigwaved]

Originally Posted by AAlmeter

Lets please keep this civil.

Please do not take a portion of my comment and draw a conclusion. I do not believe it uncivil to consider his perception about my feelings towards this country as "confused". Also, it seems clear to me that it does "escape" him that one could have issue with a policy or the politics within this country without "mistrusting" or "disliking" it.

[AAlmeter]

Originally Posted by Bigwaved

Please do not take a portion of my comment and draw a conclusion. I do not believe it uncivil to consider his perception about my feelings towards this country as "confused". Also, it seems clear to me that it does "escape" him that one could have issue with a policy or the politics within this country without "mistrusting" or "disliking" it.

I made that comment as more of a shot at the few on this board who suffer from testicular strangulation due to panty twistation every there is a disagreement on CS.

I see nothing wrong with you calling someone confused. In fact, I encourage it....it provides me with a good belly laugh.

So now, just so I can get it straight...in planning my personal investments, do you suggest I look at the short term economic indicators or the long term? Or should I just say the hell with them and just guess at how the economy is doing?

[Bigwaved]

Originally Posted by AAlmeter

I do, however, find it funny that in this thread you have said that:

-you cannot base estimates of the economy on 7 weeks of data because its too short

Do you disagree with my statement that the people I am referring to, the one's who do not like the course in which they perceive this country headed, may need more of long term trend than the example given? Or that they may have issue with more than the economy?

-you cannot base estimates of the economy on 7 +/- years of data because its probably a lie

Do you disagree that most Presidents lean towards selecting/nominating individuals which tend to fall more towards their side of the coin, so to speak? With that in mind, they may change up what or how the statistical data is reported? I really did not think that was much of a stretch, but if you say so...

-we are losing middle income jobs, but are growing 2 new lower income jobs for every middle income job lost

I believe you are reading into my statement somewhat here. That is my fault for not stating it as well as I should have. I will attempt to clarify me thoughts regarding this. If the statistic of job growth is used as an economic growth indicator, it would seem plausible that it could be a misrepresentation of that if middle or higher wage jobs were being replaced by a larger sum of minimum wage level jobs. I am not an economist, but that seems to be a problem. Again, this was based off of the original statement by someone insinuating that people who do not feel like the economy is stronger than ever and more prosperous must be stupid to think otherwise. This was my attempt to explain why they may not feel either of those statements are true.

-and I'm sure, somewhere, I could find a post about how we're losing lower income jobs as they are being shipped overseas

Search away, I do not remember doing that.


While I have neither the time nor the interest to attempt to persuade you in any direction, I just hope you can see while people can get frustrated in talking to you. There just isn't a path to follow. You show no cause and effect, no reasons for your beliefs, no evidence to back up your opinion. Its cool that you have an opinion and everything, and it is certainly your right to have one, but it is difficult to discuss it when it seems to come out of thin air.

Hey, no problem. I find it hard to stay on topic with some people due to their constant sidetracking of the original topic. I can see where you may have difficulty keeping up.

But, I must admit, it is fun...so here is my opinion based on 0 facts:

Hillary Clinton is a really Chinese man, Hung So Lo, who has been stealing government and industrial secrets for years and will, using his legs of steel, run this country into communism.

...

[Bigwaved]

Originally Posted by AAlmeter

I made that comment as more of a shot at the few on this board who suffer from testicular strangulation due to panty twistation every there is a disagreement on CS.

I see nothing wrong with you calling someone confused. In fact, I encourage it....it provides me with a good belly laugh.

So now, just so I can get it straight...in planning my personal investments, do you suggest I look at the short term economic indicators or the long term? Or should I just say the hell with them and just guess at how the economy is doing?

I would say you use more than one source to interpret the indicators. I definitely think you should compare how the data was statistically reported. Statistics have has be known to be skewed to help paint a certain picture...

[AAlmeter]

OK, you insinuate that Bush's henchmen are fudging the numbers. I'll go with that. What of the S&P 500, the Dow? Why have they shown such growth over the past 5 or so years if the economy is tanking?

My point is, you question these indicators and provide hints at your own opinion on the economy, but you give zero support for your argument other than the fact that its your opinion. While everyone is entitled to an opinion, that does not mean it is a good one. If you could show any sort of evidence pointing at politics factoring into the reporting of our economy or the markets, or any evidence that the economy is failing, I may stop laughing and be able to "keep up" with your well informed and well stated opinions.

[Bigwaved]

Originally Posted by AAlmeter

OK, you insinuate that Bush's henchmen are fudging the numbers. I'll go with that. What of the S&P 500, the Dow? Why have they shown such growth over the past 5 or so years if the economy is tanking?

My point is, you question these indicators and provide hints at your own opinion on the economy, but you give zero support for your argument other than the fact that its your opinion. While everyone is entitled to an opinion, that does not mean it is a good one. If you could show any sort of evidence pointing at politics factoring into the reporting of our economy or the markets, or any evidence that the economy is failing, I may stop laughing and be able to "keep up" with your well informed and well stated opinions.

Actually, to catch you up, I responded to the claim the the economy of today is the strongest ever and the people who live in the country are the most prosperous, ever. So, you may want to believe I am saying this economy is failing, but that is not what I said. Please find where I stated we are in a failing economy.

[AAlmeter]

Originally Posted by Bigwaved

Actually, to catch you up, I responded to the claim the the economy of today is the strongest ever and the people who live in the country are the most prosperous, ever. So, you may want to believe I am saying this economy is failing, but that is not what I said. Please find where I stated we are in a failing economy.

My apologies...you are correct. You made no statement or thought of your own. You did, however, speak for the people. If you could talk to the people again, see exactly why the people feel that the economy is not doing well. I don't mean why people's personal finances are poor, but why the people, for whom you speak, feel that the economy is not doing as well as is indicated.

[RETSF]

My is this, we don't need this chips pgm in the 1st place, medicade and medicare are in place - they may need up dating a bit but they are available for those in need. The chips is no more than getting a foothold to launch universal healthcare, emotional trigger words such as its for the childern is nothing more than a means justify their end objective. The expectation is that since its for the childern the sheep in this country will go right along with it, part of that feel good factor we did it for the countries childern. The problem is the country isn't funding this pgm - we are expected to. I'm real impressed with this "we" when it's not we the country, it's we a certain segment of society that is expected to provide for "our childern". The Nancy P's and the sheep in this country will still sleep well when they don't fund the program because the government will fund the free medical at someone else's expense. The supporters in the HOR and Senate don't have the nads to apply the tax burden to the entire American society because they would be voted out of office during the next election.

[Bigwaved]

Originally Posted by AAlmeter

My apologies...you are correct. You made no statement or thought of your own. You did, however, speak for the people. If you could talk to the people again, see exactly why the people feel that the economy is not doing well. I don't mean why people's personal finances are poor, but why the people, for whom you speak, feel that the economy is not doing as well as is indicated.

Actually, I did make a statement and it was of my own thought. It was to say that this economy is not the strongest ever and that people are not more prosperous ever. I have no problem agreeing with you if you can show me how these claims are true.

[muziq]

From the Economic Policy Institute, a non-partisan analysis think-tank:

SCHIP is not eroding private health coverage: http://www.epi.org/content.cfm?id=2789

Economy's gains fail to reach most workers paychecks: http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/bp195