Congress again passes kids health bill

[cigordo]

Just FYI all.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071102/...Qv6DAGV42s0NUE

[glking]

No problem, George has promised to veto it again.

[c2000]

This is all about politics they passed it again so after Bush vetos it they can say how he hates children for the next month. My mantra is you have em (kids) you pay for em,,don't be asking me for money..

Jerry in Minnesota.

[Jugomugo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_LutWBunb4&

[Smoked]

Originally Posted by Jugomugo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_LutWBunb4&

Now that was funny.

[ComicBookFreak]

Originally Posted by c2000

My mantra is you have em (kids) you pay for em,,don't be asking me for money..

Jerry in Minnesota.

That's a nice mantra to have. And I agree to a point "don't breed 'em if you can't feed 'em."

But sometimes things happen that one can't control, birth defects, Autism, health issues, etc. I would be willing to bet if you had a child who was special needs and you had millions of dollars in Dr. bills and Home nursing charges, even having insurance, you would be asking the government for assistance. Even with insurance, Dr. bills for children with special needs can get outrageously expensive. It's always a different story when the shoe is on the other foot. Don't be so quick to say you wouldn't be asking for money, cause when it come to your child you would be begging you butt off to get them care.

[puffstuff]

Originally Posted by ComicBookFreak

That's a nice mantra to have. And I agree to a point "don't breed 'em if you can't feed 'em."

But sometimes things happen that one can't control, birth defects, Autism, health issues, etc. I would be willing to bet if you had a child who was special needs and you had millions of dollars in Dr. bills and Home nursing charges, even having insurance, you would be asking the government for assistance. Even with insurance, Dr. bills for children with special needs can get outrageously expensive. It's always a different story when the shoe is on the other foot. Don't be so quick to say you wouldn't be asking for money, cause when it come to your child you would be begging you butt off to get them care.

We already have a program for those people, it's called Social Security/Medicaid. Disabled children such as my daughter are already covered by medicaid. That's why we already pay an assload of our paychecks to SSI and Medicare.

Al

[Corona Gigante]

Damn that congress, acting all concerned about kids again! Don't they have anything better to do?--like rubber stamping Bush's latest $183 billion war appropriation?

Originally Posted by glking

No problem, George has promised to veto it again.

Yeah, this is pretty much a sideshow until they manage to pick up another twelve Republican votes in the House.

Originally Posted by c2000

My mantra is you have em (kids) you pay for em,,don't be asking me for money..

I hope you'll still be chanting your mantra when you need a doctor in twenty years time, or someone to stock the supermarket shelves, or someone to pay into Social Security so you can collect.

With all due respect, I've heard some idiotic arguments against funding SCHIP, but "they're your kids, you pay for them" is by far the nuttiest.

[JaKaAch]

Originally Posted by c2000

This is all about politics they passed it again so after Bush vetos it they can say how he hates children for the next month. My mantra is you have em (kids) you pay for em,,don't be asking me for money..

Jerry in Minnesota.

More like the next year.
Dem's mantra for the next year. "My opponent voted against Children/SCHIP."

[Simplified]

I was going to type my opinion here but decided to stick a needle in my eye instead.

[ComicBookFreak]

Originally Posted by puffstuff

We already have a program for those people, it's called Social Security/Medicaid. Disabled children such as my daughter are already covered by medicaid. That's why we already pay an assload of our paychecks to SSI and Medicare.

Al

First off you refer to people with disabilities as "those people", so do you consider your daughter one of "those people". I didn't know we refer to them as "those people".


Medicaid doesn't cover everything. And what happens when you need private nursing care and have already reached the 1 or 2 million dollar limit????

Listen, my son has medicaid and private insurance and the medical bills we have are still over 2 million and growing every day. We had to get him into a program called CAP-C just to cover his private duty nursing, because insurance refused to cover it. They had a cap on it monetarily. If you think medicaid pays it all you are really mistaken. Try the last 6 and a half years of your life with a private duty nurse every day. Try fighting with medicaid and private insurance companies, just so your child can have the care they need. I do it every week almost. Of course, my son has a rare disease that only about 250 others in the world have. If you think medicaid is always going to be there for people, then you have no idea.

And just to be clear, I didn't say a thing about the health bill, I was asking Jerry if the shoe were on the other foot, would he still be in favor of not asking for help, as per his mantra " ...you have em (kids) you pay for em,,don't be asking me for money.." That was my original point in my first post.

CBF

[muziq]

Gettin' a little steamy in here. So, what part of the whole SCHIP thing is pissing in people's Cheerios this go around?:

*The idea of SCHIP - insuring more kids (and some adults)
*The way it's funded in the legislation - increased tobacco taxes
*Republicans vs Democrats - partisan bickering, legislative deadlock, etc

Just curious.

The thing that's primarily got my nickers in a twist is how its funded--increased tobacco taxes. I don't have a problem with a tax increase or with a gov't program that's largely going to help a lot of children gain access to more healthcare. I just think it's stupid to force only smokers to take on the burden of paying for it.

[glking]

So, what part of the whole SCHIP thing is pissing in people's Cheerios this go around?:

*The idea of SCHIP - insuring more kids (and some adults)
It's not about insuring kids--it's all about implementing socialized medicine
*The way it's funded in the legislation - increased tobacco taxes
When the cash cow is taxed out of existence, the taxes are going to come from something else....

[Corona Gigante]

Originally Posted by muziq

The thing that's primarily got my nickers in a twist is how its funded--increased tobacco taxes. I don't have a problem with a tax increase or with a gov't program that's largely going to help a lot of children gain access to more healthcare. I just think it's stupid to force only smokers to take on the burden of paying for it.

I find nothing in your post, other than your misspelling of knickers, with which to disagree.

[Papichulo]

Originally Posted by muziq

Gettin' a little steamy in here. So, what part of the whole SCHIP thing is pissing in people's Cheerios this go around?:

*The idea of SCHIP - insuring more kids (and some adults)
*The way it's funded in the legislation - increased tobacco taxes
*Republicans vs Democrats - partisan bickering, legislative deadlock, etc

Just curious.

The thing that's primarily got my nickers in a twist is how its funded--increased tobacco taxes. I don't have a problem with a tax increase or with a gov't program that's largely going to help a lot of children gain access to more healthcare. I just think it's stupid to force only smokers to take on the burden of paying for it.

Imagine if our borders were secure, start a balls to the wall deportation of illegals (if illegals are going to be separated from their children then take them with you and enter legally), put more border patrols and technology on the borders and imagine all the billions of dollars that would be saved by not providing health care to illegals, paying higher insurance bills to pay for their accidents... Not to mention the numerous crimes, drug trade and taxes that many illegals (not all) are not paying. Medicare does take and pay a lot of the bills. I know all about special need family members so I understand. Taxing the tobacco users is crazy. The scum bags in Congress supporting this mis-advertised bill can kiss my Italian ass!!! Just my two cents.