land of the free?

[borndead1]

Originally Posted by Aladdin Sane

Land of the free????




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That's the way I see it anyway.



Want change? Vote for a third party. Any party other than Dem or Rep. You can flip a coin 2,000 times and you will never get anything other than heads or tails.

[Mark C]

Originally Posted by Dr_Trac

Canada!

I was in Toronto right after the '04 Presidential election here in the US. I heard several commercials on the radio from lawyers and other companies offering to help US citizens who wanted to emmigrate to Canada. I thought that was a little funny, wonder if anybody actually did?

Lately I've been saying that if Hillary wins it's time to look for island real estate in the Caribbean and an engineering job with a rum producer.

[catfish]

Originally Posted by Mark C

I was in Toronto right after the '04 Presidential election here in the US. I heard several commercials on the radio from lawyers and other companies offering to help US citizens who wanted to emmigrate to Canada. I thought that was a little funny, wonder if anybody actually did?

Lately I've been saying that if Hillary wins it's time to look for island real estate in the Caribbean and an engineering job with a rum producer.

Rum producer? I'm looking for a job as a rum TASTER.

[fizguy]

I was listening to the radio on the way to work yesterday and there was an ad for the Maryland CHIP program.

This is a paraphrase, but pretty close to a direct quote:

"MCHIP will help keep our children from using tobacco and help adults quit."

I was yelling at the radio, "what if we don't WANT to quit?" I was so angry!

[RedRockCola]

Its all a game of power... make the people dependant on the government to make your decisions for you and when the time comes to decide between that government or make your own way the people will never consider the option of freedom! Just look at Russia. The "People's Public of Russia" had so conditioned its citizens to the idea that they had no choice and no options but to do things they way they were told when they actually started to HAVE choices in how to live life they didn't know what to do with that choice.

We had a Russian Student in our highschool that transfered here for a year. I've never seen someone's eyes so wide as the time we took him to walmart. He couldn't wrap his mind around the fact that there was more than one type of toothpaste, more than one type of spaghetti sauce... he didn't know what to do with his choices because he had never been afforded any choice at all!

THAT is the direction that we are headed as a nation if we continue to allow Mother Government to tell us when where how and why we have to do things! Its all started with the little things like safety regulations and smoking bans. Before long its where we can work and what we can drive.

"Let me see your papers... Where are your PAPERS?!" Get used to hearing it if we don't take our government back.

[Corona Gigante]

It seems to me that there's a lot more freedom, and a quite bit more justice, around now than there was forty years ago. I guess it depends on your perspective. Just my $0.02.

[Infin1ty]

Originally Posted by catfish

I just scanned over the titles of the threads in this section, the first thing that poped into my mind was what the heck is happening to our freedoms. Democrat, Republican I wouldn't give a plug nickel for any of these crooks. Someday all americans are going to wake up and have a realization that we now live in the book "1984" and we will have nobody to blame but ourselves.

Great reference, I love that book!

[c2000]

Originally Posted by fizguy

I was listening to the radio on the way to work yesterday and there was an ad for the Maryland CHIP program.

This is a paraphrase, but pretty close to a direct quote:

"MCHIP will help keep our children from using tobacco and help adults quit."

I was yelling at the radio, "what if we don't WANT to quit?" I was so angry!

It is something,,it is assumed that anyone who smokes wants in the worst way to quit but just can't..

Jerry in Minnesota.

[jafount]

Originally Posted by taltos

I am concerned that soon many people will find out the true value of the Second Amendment as in protecting the people from their government.

I'm more worried that we WON'T have the chance to find out!

Originally Posted by Aladdin Sane

Land of the free????


The only politician who knows / respects the meaning of those words is Ron Paul.


Ron who???..........EXACTLY.....

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Amen Brother.....amen.

Originally Posted by Mark C

A few hundred years ago when people got pissed in England, they hopped a boat and came over here.... where are we supposed to go now?

Take this mother effer back!

Originally Posted by borndead1

That's the way I see it anyway.

Want change? Vote for a third party. Any party other than Dem or Rep. You can flip a coin 2,000 times and you will never get anything other than heads or tails.

Again....AMEN!

[Mark C]

Originally Posted by catfish

Rum producer? I'm looking for a job as a rum TASTER.

I've already got that job, I just can't find anyone who thinks I deserve a salary for my efforts

Originally Posted by Corona Gigante

It seems to me that there's a lot more freedom, and a quite bit more justice, around now than there was forty years ago. I guess it depends on your perspective. Just my $0.02.

That may be true, but it seems to me there's a lot LESS freedom than there was 5 yrs ago.

I figure it's a problem related to the basic principles in the Constitution. If everything is allowed except what is expressly forbidden, then lawmakers have nothing to do except find new things to forbid in order to justify their jobs. The 'professional politician' is the downfall of democracy.

Originally Posted by jafount

Take this mother effer back!

Nice, is that really necessary? Go ahead and vote for Ron Paul. You've got as much chance electing Mickey Mouse as you do that clown, Mickey might even have an edge. Even if he DID get elected, you'd have to find a few hundred other clowns to fill in Congress or nothing productive would ever get done. There's a strong difference between idealism and realism.

[muziq]

Oh my God, it appears I stumbled into the Dystopic Malcontents room. Sorry, excuse me...I was looking for Abuse.

[jafount]

Originally Posted by Mark C

Nice, is that really nececsary? Go ahead and vote for Ron Paul. You've got as much chance electing Mickey Mouse as you do that clown, Mickey might even have an edge. Even if he DID get elected, you'd have to find a few hundred other clowns to fill in Congress or nothing productive would ever get done. There's a strong difference between idealism and realism.

Is what really necessary? Change is slow to happen. If you're just going to throw your hands in the air and act as if one change at a time is insignificant, then your just adding to the problem.

If Ron Paul (or any third party candidate) would get elected, I believe it would send a message to the American people that their vote really does count. It would also send a message to the American two party joke of a system that we're all tired of the status quo.

Feel free to continue to be apathetic, but don't complain when things get worse. Even anti smoking laws didnt happen over night. There was a long progression of change that was started by some idealistic person and others eventually bought in.

Finally, by "take this mother effer back" I'm being literal. As another poster already stated, it may just come to having to actually exercise the second amendment. My biggest fear are the volume of people out there who don't have the stones to effect a change.

[Mark C]

Originally Posted by jafount

If you're just going to throw your hands in the air and act as if one change at a time is insignificant, then your just adding to the problem.

If Ron Paul (or any third party candidate) would get elected, I believe it would send a message to the American people that their vote really does count. It would also send a message to the American two party joke of a system that we're all tired of the status quo.

At the rate the 'third party' is gaining votes, my grandchildren may never see change, and I'm only 26. Besides, starting at the top won't work. The 3rd parties need to gain a stronger presence in the lower levels of government, and in Congress, and then move on to the Presidency. They need something to show legitimacy before going for the top spot, without a grass-roots support system, they haven't got a prayer. I like the idea of a viable 3rd party, but until it becomes anywhere close to a reality, I'll stick to choosing the lesser of two evils.

Finally, by "take this mother effer back" I'm being literal. As another poster already stated, it may just come to having to actually exercise the second amendment. My biggest fear are the volume of people out there who don't have the stones to effect a change.

The second ammendment ain't gonna help us take the country back, it would have to be a military coupe, rather than a citizen's uprising. I suppose it's possible, but the top generals are all political appointees. And even then we tried the Civil War thing awhile back, didn't go so well.

I'm all for change, but gradually pissing away a vote for the next hundred years isn't going to cut it. Something big needs to happen. I don't know what that is, or how to make it happen, but I don't believe the current 3rd party approach is the right one.

[jafount]

Originally Posted by Mark C

At the rate the 'third party' is gaining votes, my grandchildren may never see change, and I'm only 26. Besides, starting at the top won't work. The 3rd parties need to gain a stronger presence in the lower levels of government, and in Congress, and then move on to the Presidency. They need something to show legitimacy before going for the top spot, without a grass-roots support system, they haven't got a prayer. I like the idea of a viable 3rd party, but until it becomes anywhere close to a reality, I'll stick to choosing the lesser of two evils.

Yeah but I just have a hard time casting my vote for this:

[Pendaboot]

Things are really hopeless if those who want change will not vote for it because they feel helpless or hopeless. Better to light one candle than to curse the darkness. Make fun or Ron Paul all you want. Me, I go the opposite way. I usually refuse to vote because no candidate deserves my vote. I rather like being able to say that I did not vote for the fool who got elected. There are actually fools who feel that there was a difference between Gore and Bush. I am coming out of the woodwork to vote for paul, not because I think he will win, but because, for the first time in a long while, he is a presidential candidate that I can vote for and not feel ashamed.

He may be wrong on half the issues, but he is right on the other half. HALF!! That's a lot more than the other power mad sociopaths! Half looks good when the choices are Hillary or Obama against Romney or McCain, three power mad crooks. If you disagree, answer me one question: name one thing your guy actually believes in? Just ONE!