Smoking in Washington B&M's????

[JAK]

I just signed the petition today

[nimravus01]

There does not seem to be any provisions for pipe smokers in 1016... Will 1016 cover, ipso facto, pipe smokers? Or is this just a cigar thing? I like to think of us, (cigar and pipe smokers,) as one group.

[nimravus01]

A similar bill in in NH... Looks promising, and, if they can do it, how about Wa?

http://www.clubstogie.com/vb/showthread.php?t=153769

NH Cigar Bar Exemption Looks to Have Support in Legislature
HB1457 would define a "Smoking bar" as an establishment that exclusively occupies an enclosed indoor space where the primary business is the retail sale of tobacco products for consumption on the premises. Business must possess a retail tobacco sales license. Additionally, that business may derive revenue from the sale of food, alcohol, and other beverages for consumption on the premises. HB1457 requires minors be prohibited.

Still no answer to my previous question though, so, I'll rephrase.

Since the Wa. 1016 says "cigar bar," will pipe smokers be covered or only cigars? This may sound obvious to some of you, but, you never know how literally the law makers/enforcers will read it.

[Sanitariumite]

This is fantastic! I'll definitely be making my way to one of the locations with the petition asap.

[TanZ2005]

Is there any updates to this? I would be interested in a count! Anyone checking. We need this on the Ballet.

James.

[Zoomschwortz]

Originally Posted by TanZ2005

Is there any updates to this? I would be interested in a count! Anyone checking. We need this on the Ballet.

James.

[Todd W]

We fell short by 12,000 signatures.
Here it is:

[SIZE=2] [SIZE=2]To all interested parties,[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]The numbers have been tallied, and we fell shot of our goal of 225,000 valid signatures. As of 3 pm today, we had collected over 213,000 signatures.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]The odds were against us to start as no all volunteer initiative has made it on to the general election, but for the previous efforts of the Washington Teachers Union, in recent years. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]The collection of cigar stores, tobacco shops, former cigar bars, private clubs and all citizens who all took part in the efforts to modify the existing ban, should all take great pride in the fact that without any large money contributed by outside special interest groups we almost got there. This was no small feat![/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Just as our opponents failed the first time, before passing the current draconian smoking ban (901), so too will we be back again. We have learned much in the process, and we will be better prepared the next time through. There is honor in fighting to change unjust laws and travesty in doing nothing at all. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]We will continue to work to change the law as is written, starting with the legislature in January. Stay tuned.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]With kind regards,[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Joe Arundel
Rain City Cigar
206-767-3619[/SIZE]
[/SIZE]

[Sanitariumite]

I signed the last open slot on the last available copy at Smokey Joe's on Tuesday, and I'll definitely sign it again when the new one comes around. Sounds like we did alright....

[Zoomschwortz]

Originally Posted by Todd W

We fell short by 12,000 signatures.
Here it is:

[SIZE=2] [SIZE=2]To all interested parties,[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]The numbers have been tallied, and we fell shot of our goal of 225,000 valid signatures. As of 3 pm today, we had collected over 213,000 signatures.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]The odds were against us to start as no all volunteer initiative has made it on to the general election, but for the previous efforts of the Washington Teachers Union, in recent years. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]The collection of cigar stores, tobacco shops, former cigar bars, private clubs and all citizens who all took part in the efforts to modify the existing ban, should all take great pride in the fact that without any large money contributed by outside special interest groups we almost got there. This was no small feat![/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Just as our opponents failed the first time, before passing the current draconian smoking ban (901), so too will we be back again. We have learned much in the process, and we will be better prepared the next time through. There is honor in fighting to change unjust laws and travesty in doing nothing at all. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]We will continue to work to change the law as is written, starting with the legislature in January. Stay tuned.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]With kind regards,[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Joe Arundel
Rain City Cigar
206-767-3619[/SIZE]
[/SIZE]

BUMMER, but, maybe it is for the best, this time.

The chance of it passing this November would be slight at best considering the large turnout you can expect from Seattle.

Seattle had the largest impact on bringing us things like higher gas taxes, no trapping moles, no baiting for bears, no hunting cougar with hounds and the present no smoking ban.

I believe that we will have a much better chance at getting it passed next year, that is, as long as the next President with a majority in congress, doesn't pass a nation wide ban on smoking, for our own good

[lenguamor]

I hope that the next go-round we can formulate an initiative that both respects the wishes of the 69% of Washington voters who voted the ban into law, and also gives us - CIGAR and PIPE SMOKERS - specific, designated spaces to enjoy our avocation.

I agree that the current law is too broad, but it came about because the cigar industry has continued throughout this fight to throw in its lot with the cigarette industry's losing battle.

Until we formulate an initiative or proposed law which makes provision for cigar/pipe - and cigar/pipe ONLY - spaces, without blocking for the cigarette industry, we will continue to fail. Because the 69% majority that wanted the current ban as law will see our efforts as undermining their mandate.

We HAVE TO set ourselves apart from the cigarette set. We MUST. It is imperative, or we will never again have places like the cigar lounges at El Gaucho and Daniel's, or great cigar bars like Tini Biggs.

[papajohn67]

Originally Posted by Zoomschwortz

BUMMER, but, maybe it is for the best, this time.

The chance of it passing this November would be slight at best considering the large turnout you can expect from Seattle.

Seattle had the largest impact on bringing us things like higher gas taxes, no trapping moles, no baiting for bears, no hunting cougar with hounds and the present no smoking ban.

I believe that we will have a much better chance at getting it passed next year, that is, as long as the next President with a majority in congress, doesn't pass a nation wide ban on smoking, for our own good

God Bless the folks from Seattle......from this weeks local newspaper's police blotter in La Conner:

"Tourist from Seattle driving past agricultural land, called 9-11 to complain about slow-moving farm machinery on Chilberg Road, La Conner."

[Zoomschwortz]

Originally Posted by papajohn67

God Bless the folks from Seattle......from this weeks local newspaper's police blotter in La Conner:

"Tourist from Seattle driving past agricultural land, called 9-11 to complain about slow-moving farm machinery on Chilberg Road, La Conner."

The "slow-moving farm machinery" was most likely going faster than the traffic in downtown Seattle goes.

I was up in your neck of the woods a couple weeks ago. I like it up there

I also love the police blotters in small town papers. It is refreshing when a wife yelling at her husband makes the news, instead of drive by shootings, rape and murder.

[Papichulo]

Originally Posted by Zoomschwortz

The "slow-moving farm machinery" was most likely going faster than the traffic in downtown Seattle goes.

I was up in your neck of the woods a couple weeks ago. I like it up there

I also love the police blotters in small town papers. It is refreshing when a wife yelling at her husband makes the news, instead of drive by shootings, rape and murder.

is not that the truth? a tool calling 911 on farm equipment. Probably the same dipsht that is for the cigar band.

[tandblov]

Originally Posted by lenguamor

I hope that the next go-round we can formulate an initiative that both respects the wishes of the 69% of Washington voters who voted the ban into law, and also gives us - CIGAR and PIPE SMOKERS - specific, designated spaces to enjoy our avocation.

I agree that the current law is too broad, but it came about because the cigar industry has continued throughout this fight to throw in its lot with the cigarette industry's losing battle.

Until we formulate an initiative or proposed law which makes provision for cigar/pipe - and cigar/pipe ONLY - spaces, without blocking for the cigarette industry, we will continue to fail. Because the 69% majority that wanted the current ban as law will see our efforts as undermining their mandate.

We HAVE TO set ourselves apart from the cigarette set. We MUST. It is imperative, or we will never again have places like the cigar lounges at El Gaucho and Daniel's, or great cigar bars like Tini Biggs.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Yes, its true that a business owner should be able to do what they want with their property. However, realistically, if we ever want to smoke a cigar in public again, we must focus on the exclusivity of cigars and pipes from cigarettes. There can be no allowances for cigarette smoking in cigar and pipe establishments (either shops or lounges).

Plus, the stink of a burning cigarette absolutely ruins a good cigar. The fact that Smokey Joe's is, on some nights, almost 1/2 cigarette smokers has become a huge disappointment.

We must separate ourselves or nothing will happen...

[roscoe]

I have just returned from SEA=TAC where I gave a seminar to a group of guys on opening private clubs in the area. They already have two locations and plan two additional ones down the road. One location looks like it's ready to go very shortly. Contact me privately for further contact info regarding these clubs.

Roscoe
Cigarclubs.org