Should Cities Ban Smoking in Public Places?

[Legend]

Originally Posted by Legend

No offense Scott. As I stated it takes abuse to be mind altering with alcohol.

I just reread what I posted and for clarity the first line should read "no offense taken, Scott"

[Theophilus]

Face it guys, our country is already socialist and we're heading towards either fascism or communism. Read the Communist Manifesto. It's really short for those who don't like to read. We're already taking the steps. Keep watch for what happens with the bail-out plans too. These plans will lead us to a place that we do not want to go. I'm usually an optimistic type of person. go figure

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Legend

I just reread what I posted and for clarity the first line should read "no offense taken, Scott"

None taken my brother, You are a great BOTL and I appreciate your thoughts and opinions and look forward to them!!

[gary106334]

Damn Kevin, see what you started.

[sspolv]

Originally Posted by ActionAndy

Is it crass to admit that I sincerely don't care about the children?

Honestly, I don't think it is. The children are FINE. The way that anti-smoking groups make cigar/cigarette/tobacco smoke in a second-hand fashion seem is preposterous. Its as if it could eat holes in two inch case-hardened steel and render a manly, red meat eating, whiskey swilling lumberjack into a crying heap of useless carbon is utterly amazing. Children, up until this point, have survived pretty damn well with tobacco smoke. Society has been around tobacco smoke since the early 1400s. "Big tobacco" was really introduced in the late 1800s. The chemical additives in cigarettes were introduced mainly in the 50s. I have a question for the general population here. How do you feel? Do you feel sick? Hard to breathe? Stunted growth? I'd guess not. Tobacco smoke didn't just become hazardous in the some-odd years since the release of that report. It couldn't just up and turn into a toxic, noxious fumigant in the past, oh, decade and a half. If it is harmful to children and adults alike, we would have noticed the detrimental effects a looooong time ago.

Many here may have grown up in an era in which smoking was common, in the workplace, in the home, in public places. You're no worse for the wear, are you? So what's different? What's in cigarettes that wasn't in them 50 years ago? What's in tobacco that's -never- been in it? Nothing.

Honestly, when it comes to tobacco, I don't worry about the children. They'll be fine. It'll buff right out. Most other things, well, that's a different story...

[mosesbotbol]

Should Cities Ban Smoking in Public Places?

You're asking the wrong crowd that question!

[KingSlender]

See, I'll play Devil's Advocate. I actually prefer going into non-smoking restaurants because sometimes you just want to go out, have a nice meal or drink and not come home smelling like an ashtray. I'm not sure how to wrap my head around what would be reasonable legislation, but it might be something to the effect of "If you serve food, it's a non-smoking establishment." Cigar bars or bars that server nothing but alcohol, would be exempt.

[madurolover]

Originally Posted by KingSlender

See, I'll play Devil's Advocate. I actually prefer going into non-smoking restaurants because sometimes you just want to go out, have a nice meal or drink and not come home smelling like an ashtray. I'm not sure how to wrap my head around what would be reasonable legislation, but it might be something to the effect of "If you serve food, it's a non-smoking establishment." Cigar bars or bars that server nothing but alcohol, would be exempt.

I don't know about you but one of my favorite times to smoke is after a nice big dinner. It would be a shame to have to try and find a place to smoke when your appetite is well sated. I much prefer sitting where I am and having an after-dinner drink and a cigar.

[ActionAndy]

Oh I definitely agree on restaurants, I do not want to smell cigarettes while I'm eating. I hated bars before the smoking ban as well. I live in a place where at times the tourists pack in so tight that you have trouble turning your shoulders in a bar--combine that with people chain smoking, and it's pretty miserable. However I also think it's completely up to that individual business.

[gary106334]

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

Should Cities Ban Smoking in Public Places?

You're asking the wrong crowd that question!

Originally Posted by ActionAndy

Oh I definitely agree on restaurants, I do not want to smell cigarettes while I'm eating. I hated bars before the smoking ban as well. I live in a place where at times the tourists pack in so tight that you have trouble turning your shoulders in a bar--combine that with people chain smoking, and it's pretty miserable. However I also think it's completely up to that individual business.

Must be nice to be young.................can't remeber.

[Scud]

The Dems care more about pot smokers and heroin addicts than they do about cigar smokers. Look at the amount of publicly funded methadone clinics compared to the number of cigar bars in big cities. Kinda sad, huh

[Smoke&Ash]

I think this should be left up to the establishment to approve or disapprove of smoking. Unfortunately, this country in some ways is not as free as we'd all like it to be. The problem is we like to legislate everything and sometimes we give up freedoms in doing so. Anyways, for restaurants I think we should have some that cater to the smoking crowd, but it's nice for families etc... to have non-smoking sections. Overall I'm against Cities making that broad sweeping ban in all public places. That seems ridiculous!