Some bad news - just posted

[Dcutt3]

Originally Posted by Hermit

Like JFK who bought thousands of Habanos
the day before he imposed the embargo?

If you don't think it'll pass and be signed,
you're dreaming.

The embargo was about more than tobacco, though. He was doing that for other reasons, and he just happened to love a good cigar. Might not agree with Russia sometimes, but God damn do I love their vodka.

Originally Posted by replicant_argent

Nope, he will look like the strong savior messiah who can face adversity and challenge the norm, even though it may cause him "personal, and real challenges."

haha to a fool, maybe. There would be a lot of outrage over this, I think. Thats the kind of unpopular and unnecessary bill that could cost someone a reelection. Dont forget, his appointees all have a voice, but Obama has to sign the papers. He might not even agree with everything this guy says... "Team of rivals".

[macjoe53]

Originally Posted by exploretheozarks

Our country is no longer a government that is here for the people, but rather a government that believes the people are here for it.

All this has been coming since the sainted, may he rest in peace, President John F. Kennedy said, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."

The Democrats have just taken that statement and over the years have made it more and more about what "you" are forced to do for your country. The updated statement should be, "Empty your pockets now! We need the money more than you do."

[macjoe53]

Originally Posted by Hermit

Like JFK who bought thousands of Habanos
the day before he imposed the embargo?

If you don't think it'll pass and be signed,
you're dreaming.

Of course it will pass and be signed. It's a way for the politicians to separate hard working citizens from their money.

Here's a thought: Would the embargo still be in place if JFK had not been assassinated? Sometimes I fell the embargo has stayed in place more in memory of Kennedy than for any other reason.

[e-man]

Eat healthy, exercise daily, die anyway. Nobody makes it out of this world alive. May as well enjoy your stay.

[Cigary]

Originally Posted by replicant_argent

Nope, he will look like the strong savior messiah who can face adversity and challenge the norm, even though it may cause him "personal, and real challenges."

Exactly,,,about as real a statement as I've read.

Originally Posted by e-man

Eat healthy, exercise daily, die anyway. Nobody makes it out of this world alive. May as well enjoy your stay.

You're only allowed to eat what they say you'll eat and exercise when and where they tell you,,,and then maybe you can die as long as you have paid for the burial expenses first. How do you spell Kremlin again,,,,with one or two "N's" ? This is all so insidious how rights have been taken away from our "free" nation in the last 8 years.

[gary106334]

Originally Posted by Dcutt3

I'm honestly not too worried about it. Obama is STILL addicted to cigarettes, he will only look like a huge hypocrite to pass this kind of legislation.

What politician does not look like a hypocrite.

[Shervin]

Originally Posted by exploretheozarks

Our country is no longer a government that is here for the people, but rather a government that believes the people are here for it.

That can quickly get turned around with a simple boycott...even though there's no such thing as a simple boycott, many would get hurt in the process (Mom and Pop's and a couple of larger B&M's that cannot weather the storm) It would however deliver a very big blow to the "MAN".

A firm stance that cigar smokers united will no longer accept unjust increases (a simple notion, NOT A PROPOSITION) so please be kind. What are your thoughts?

[macjoe53]

Originally Posted by Shervin

That can quickly get turned around with a simple boycott...even though there's no such thing as a simple boycott, many would get hurt in the process (Mom and Pop's and a couple of larger B&M's that cannot weather the storm) It would however deliver a very big blow to the "MAN".

A firm stance that cigar smokers united will no longer accept unjust increases (a simple notion, NOT A PROPOSITION) so please be kind. What are your thoughts?

No Boycott.

[gboyet93]

Why in the hell do we keep electing these fools? We can only blame ourselves for the "Change". The only "Change" we will have after Obama, will be the "Change" in our pockets...........

[smokering10]

Originally Posted by Cigary

He said he was going to make change happen,,,he never promised great changes! Who wants to buy my inauguration ticket,,stand out in the cold,,freeze your sack off for a few hours and not be able to eat a decent meal,,,get stuck in foot traffic while trying to get back to your hotel,,,yeah baby, good times!

yes communist china is great oh wait thats America with that putz obama. yes hail Caesar

[Shervin]

Originally Posted by macjoe53

No Boycott.

It is not a proposition... nor an answer to the core issue, more of a detriment as I already expressed.


I was simply pointing out that it may seem that way to exploretheozarks when he stated that: "Our country is no longer a government that is here for the people, but rather a government that believes the people are here for it." it simply isn't true we as the people still have a final (and very extreme) straw to toss unto the camels back.

[Doogie]

Does anyone really think government is still about "We, The People"?

we the people has been gone for a long time.

[e-man]

We used to be in charge of our own destiny. Thrive or fail, it was in your control and you were responsible for the situations you found yourself in.

That freedom and responsibility disappeared when FDR brought socialism to the US. Now Obama is about to take that to a new level. Now we have to pay to support other people and their bad decisions. Social security it the biggest ponzi sceme invented. New investor money is used to pay off previous investors and the last ones in get stuck holding the bag.

The government rewards the stupid and bails out companies that deserve to go out of business. Many of them probably will go out of business anyway, but not until their executives have lined their pockets with millions in tax dollars.

Obama has plenty of money and will only get richer with the power and influence he now has. He doesn't care about the increased cost of cigarettes. He could buy a lifetime of cigarettes with what he paid for Michelle's outfits for their party. And those outfits will only be worn the one time. That really shows well he relates to the condition of the average American.


I'll get off my soap box now.

[Cigar Man Andy]

I remember reading a document once that said:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness", unless other people are disturbed by our actions and want to dictate and trample the rights of others for their own personal power issues.

I remember another country that had a leader who had these principles of knowing what was best for everyone else. It was back in the late 30s and early 40s. I think the country was Germany.

If I choose to smoke a cigar in the privacy of my own home, car or yard, that is my right.

Personally, I am offended by flatulence. I would love to see someone lobby for a bill to tax or outlaw farting. It would raise more money for the government than anything else in history. $10 fine for passing gas in your car, $50 in public and $1,000 in an elevator. Now that would make.

Just a thought. Not a sermon.

[PaleRider]

Originally Posted by e-man

We used to be in charge of our own destiny. Thrive or fail, it was in your control and you were responsible for the situations you found yourself in.

That freedom and responsibility disappeared when FDR brought socialism to the US. Now Obama is about to take that to a new level. Now we have to pay to support other people and their bad decisions. Social security it the biggest ponzi sceme invented. New investor money is used to pay off previous investors and the last ones in get stuck holding the bag.

The government rewards the stupid and bails out companies that deserve to go out of business. Many of them probably will go out of business anyway, but not until their executives have lined their pockets with millions in tax dollars.

Obama has plenty of money and will only get richer with the power and influence he now has. He doesn't care about the increased cost of cigarettes. He could buy a lifetime of cigarettes with what he paid for Michelle's outfits for their party. And those outfits will only be worn the one time. That really shows well he relates to the condition of the average American.


I'll get off my soap box now.

Well said brother, well said!