Comrade Clinton (!Achtung!)

[Shelby07]

I have read recently that polls show 52% of likely voters would never vote for her under any circumastances (one can only hope.) But either way, tobacco and guns will continue to be political targets.

[SMOKING HANDSOME DUDE]

Just for everyones information, she has not won any elections yet. If you do not want Hillary to be the next President than DO NOT VOTE FOR HER. Vote for someone else. It's that simple.

[mrgatorman]

Theres already campaign signs posted around our streets...holy cow this will be a long campaign season.

[Contessa]

Originally Posted by shrtcrt

WTF! Can we PLEASE stop taking away our rights. Don't smoke, don't watch this, don't do that.

Not entirely true. I mean yea, we can't smoke because those are HORRIBLE...but we're still free to watch as much sex, murder, and gore on tv and in movies as much as we want. We're still free, if not more so, to have sex with anyTHING/ONE that we want (and if they're underage..well...just hold still while I smack your hand, and oh yea, don't do that again). We're still free to repress any religion that makes us feel bad. And we're still free to fight for our rights..so long as we're a minority. If you're not part of the minority, well...that's just WRONG of you to fight for anything.

[Corona Gigante-cl]

Isn't there a rule about this kind of thread? I mean, discussing a candidate's policy positions is one thing, vicious, ad hominem (feminam?) attacks are something else.

By and large, the smoking bans are a bipartisan issue. It's my impression that there are as many GOP legislators voting for these measures as Democrats. Feel free, someone, to prove to me otherwise.

[northidahotim-cl]

There are a few republicans who don't have any backbone and are voting in favor of the schip. But all of the dems are voting for the schip. It's not just the schip that scares me. It's everything. The dems would like to increase spending because they think they now how to handle our money better than we do. They will redistribute our hard earned money to other people the way they see fit.
Here's what I see. When they finally get the taxes so high on tobacco and force everone to go to the black market or quit altogether where will they get the money to pay for all these programs then. Here they got these programs funded by tobacco. We are being assessed an additional tax for being smokers. I see coffee, unhealthy food, fuel. You may be able to come up with more. Can you see a coffee tax. They can say that big macs are putting a strain on our health care system and put a 40% tax on big macs. I'm sure there are far more studies that reinforce the unhealthy aspects of eating a big mac as opposed to smoking cigars. You see where this goes. How about violent movies. Every time someone gets in a car wreck should we tax hollywood. If the current trend keeps happening over the next twenty to thirty years that's what will happen, Now is that freedom? What amazes me is the same people who want to make smoking unaffordable or outlaw it altogether are the same people who will fight to let a teenage girl have an abortion without parental consent. I don't understand it. So let me know guys if I'm way off base to bring this stuff up on this site. We all come here as cigar smokers but may differ in our politics.

[alnpd-cl]

Originally Posted by GoinFerSmoke

Burn her at the stake!


errrr...... sorry... go carried away!


Don't vote for her!

I prefer the first option, stick to your guns!

[Architeuthis]

Originally Posted by Corona Gigante

Isn't there a rule about this kind of thread? I mean, discussing a candidate's policy positions is one thing, vicious, ad hominem (feminam?) attacks are something else.

By and large, the smoking bans are a bipartisan issue. It's my impression that there are as many GOP legislators voting for these measures as Democrats. Feel free, someone, to prove to me otherwise.

Ask the Moderators for an opinion... Personally, I'm exactly on the fence whether this should simply be closed or let it carry on.

[alnpd-cl]

Originally Posted by Corona Gigante

Isn't there a rule about this kind of thread? I mean, discussing a candidate's policy positions is one thing, vicious, ad hominem (feminam?) attacks are something else.

By and large, the smoking bans are a bipartisan issue. It's my impression that there are as many GOP legislators voting for these measures as Democrats. Feel free, someone, to prove to me otherwise.

I was under the impression that one freedom we still maintain in this country is freedom of speech. I do not think that her gender has anything to do with the the very heartfelt opinions presented on this board. I don't care what the gender of a candiate is but when her views, which were clearly expressed, are completely opposite what I believe in I feel it is our responsibilities as citizens of this fine nation to make our voices heard. If we just sit idly by our rights will be steadily trampled upon until we have none.

Might I remind you that just 90 miles of the coast of Florida men and women just like us have been imprisioned for much more benign statements than those posted on this thread. As a matter of fact this type of board is probably banned in Cuba because a free exchange of ideas might lead to some free thinkers!

[prophetic_joe]

Originally Posted by Corona Gigante

Isn't there a rule about this kind of thread? I mean, discussing a candidate's policy positions is one thing, vicious, ad hominem (feminam?) attacks are something else.

By and large, the smoking bans are a bipartisan issue. It's my impression that there are as many GOP legislators voting for these measures as Democrats. Feel free, someone, to prove to me otherwise.

Political discussion is against the rules of the forumn however it was the Admin that created the cigar legislation thread, IMO if the political talk centers around cigar or tobacco legislation and not just random political topics I would believe it to be open for discussion. I also don't find any of the posts to contain vicious, ad hominem (feminam?) attacks so i think so far we are in the clear. As far as being a bipartisan issue that is entirely inaccurate there are a few republicans siding with the anti-tobacco legislation but from what I've seen the majority of the push for it comes from the democrats. Of course this is all just a matter of my own opinion feel free to disagree all you like, that's the beauty of a democracy, enjoy it while you can the way things are going it doesn't look like we'll have one much longer.

[Contessa]

Originally Posted by northidahotim

Here's what I see. When they finally get the taxes so high on tobacco and force everone to go to the black market or quit altogether where will they get the money to pay for all these programs then. Here they got these programs funded by tobacco. We are being assessed an additional tax for being smokers. I see coffee, unhealthy food, fuel. You may be able to come up with more. Can you see a coffee tax. They can say that big macs are putting a strain on our health care system and put a 40% tax on big macs. I'm sure there are far more studies that reinforce the unhealthy aspects of eating a big mac as opposed to smoking cigars. You see where this goes. How about violent movies. Every time someone gets in a car wreck should we tax hollywood. If the current trend keeps happening over the next twenty to thirty years that's what will happen, Now is that freedom? What amazes me is the same people who want to make smoking unaffordable or outlaw it altogether are the same people who will fight to let a teenage girl have an abortion without parental consent. I don't understand it. So let me know guys if I'm way off base to bring this stuff up on this site. We all come here as cigar smokers but may differ in our politics.

Wow. You have some really good points in there that I never thought about. Obviously if/when this cigar tax hike goes into effect, the market is going to waver, big time. While I'm sure some people will continue smoking, I think enough would go blackmarket or quit altogether that the tax won't fund as much as the government thinks it will. So yes, then where do they go? Onto to taxing other freedoms in an attempt to make us healthier 'for the children', oh yea, and the 19-25 yr olds who don't have insurance. I thought the government said we were officially adults at 18? Why are we being taxed to take care of adults under the guise of a CHILDRENS health insurance??

[Cigar Diva]

Originally Posted by Corona Gigante

Isn't there a rule about this kind of thread? I mean, discussing a candidate's policy positions is one thing, vicious, ad hominem (feminam?) attacks are something else.

By and large, the smoking bans are a bipartisan issue. It's my impression that there are as many GOP legislators voting for these measures as Democrats. Feel free, someone, to prove to me otherwise.

Please remember that Hillary's "healthcare initiative" during her first term in the Whitehouse brought us (the US) our flu vaccine shortage a couple of years ago! I certainly want more of the same!

In Texas it was only because of the conservatives in the Senate (many none smokers) that felt strongly about individual rights that the state-wide ban did not make it to the floor for a vote.

Either party - FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!!!!!!

[Tha Criddler]

Originally Posted by architeuthis

Ask the Moderators for an opinion... Personally, I'm exactly on the fence whether this should simply be closed or let it carry on.

I think this thread should be taken down.

I think it sucks and is exactly the kind of thing a ban on political debates is supposed to prevent. All this thread is going to do is get people pissed off at one and other for having opposing political opinions. Comments in it have already made me mad and changed what I thought of people who other than the cigars they smoke I had no personal opinion of. I think that sucks.

[Architeuthis]

Well, unless one of you guys calls for the Moderators to make a ruling on it, nothing will be done at all. I'm certainly not going to raise the issue, it needs to be one of YOU!

[prophetic_joe]

Originally Posted by Tha Criddler

I think this thread should be taken down.

I think it sucks and is exactly the kind of thing a ban on political debates is supposed to prevent. All this thread is going to do is get people pissed off at one and other for having opposing political opinions. Comments in it have already made me mad and changed what I thought of people who other than the cigars they smoke I had no personal opinion of. I think that sucks.

Interesting. I haven't found one thing in this thread to make me angry either way. I don't really care too much about ones political leanings I guess. I care about people being violent or racist but I could care less about who someone plans to vote for. I guess I'm just apathetic about this thread. I mean if Mrs. Clinton is anti-tobacco that is her deal and if it bothers me i just won't vote for her. I guess someone saying I'm not voting for a particular political party just doesn't twist me up too much. People are entitled to their opinions.