Can You Say "NATIONALIZED HEALTHCARE"

[Cigar Diva]

Our Senators and Congressmen are now "back in secession" deciding for us, what is best for us (because YOU are to stupid to make your own decisions). Please do not hold me to this, but I have heard the bill out of congress is a across the board $1.00/cigar tax with a floor tax due April 1, 2008. The bill that passed out of OUR senate graciously caps cigar tax at $10.00/cigar with a floor tax of 43% DUE APRIL 1, 2008.

IPCPR (formerly known as RTDA) estimates 97% of B&M will go out of business overnight.

Cigars are less than 1% of the tobacco industry.

EQUAL TREATMENT!!!!!!

TAX ME 2,000% OR 20,000%, then TAX EVERY OTHER BUSINESS IN MY UNITED STATES OF AMERICA EXACTLY THE SAME!!!!!

My battle cry is EQUAL TREATMENT!

TAX ME, TAX MY NEIGHBOR!!!

How many small businesses can survive a 2,000% tax increase, much less a 20,000% tax increase?

[Labman-cl]

Wiser words were never spoken, Lynn. They are just trying to make an example out of tobacco companies. Unfortunately, for us, they are targeting the little guys...i.e. the cigar companies. If they really wanted to make money for their SCHIP, they would go after the huge cigarette industry.

[Tha Criddler]

NATIONALIZED HEALTHCARE...it sounded good in the beginning.

[JohnRider]

I am really hoping for that VETO! Something tells me, a deal will be worked out that WE WON'T LIKE!

[Tha Criddler]

Originally Posted by JohnRider

I am really hoping for that VETO! Something tells me, a deal will be worked out that WE WON'T LIKE!

I get that same feeling.

[SMOKING HANDSOME DUDE]

Lynn, I understand what you are saying. What can I do to help? Seems like all the replys are saying oh to bad. We need to do something.

Darren

[cigarsmoka-cl]

I think that the floor tax is the real business killer here. The whole thing sucks!

[Cigar Diva]

Originally Posted by cigarsmoka

I think that the floor tax is the real business killer here. The whole thing sucks!

Your right, the floor tax is a SUDDEN death. Would your rather die a slow painful death or a sudden death? The size of the tax increase will create an overnight black market that will still put many, if not most of B&M's out of business, only slowly. Certainly it might be more possible to survive a tax increase on only new product purchased, it is still one hell of a hill to climb for the B&M's.

[tobacmon]

I can't beleve these guy's--It really pisses me off to see the guy's (that are probably smoking illegals) get away with this bulls***--I can't stand these mother Fluckers!! Finally something I found that I enjoy to do and the Nazi Goverment takes it away...This is CRAP---

[JohnRider]

Look out. The $10 Roly is coming our way.

[JTokash-cl]

I saw a video by Rocky Patel and he said he (i.e. his lawyers) is/are trying to fight this taxation on cigars based on the Central American Free Trade Agreement. From what I understand (which might be wrong...), it's not "legal" to tax anything coming from the countries in the agreement. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems as if Rocky might have found a loophole to the cigar tax.

Regards,
-JT

[JohnRider]

Originally Posted by TheScienceGuy

I saw a video by Rocky Patel and he said he (i.e. his lawyers) is/are trying to fight this taxation on cigars based on the Central American Free Trade Agreement. From what I understand (which might be wrong...), it's not "legal" to tax anything coming from the countries in the agreement. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems as if Rocky might have found a loophole to the cigar tax.

Regards,
-JT

Call me a cynic, but I don't think Congress is going to let a pesky trade agreement get in the way of their saving the children.

[Cigar Diva]

Originally Posted by JohnRider

Call me a cynic, but I don't think Congress is going to let a pesky trade agreement get in the way of their saving the children.

Why should they start now? After All, John Edwards stated that gun ownership is a privilege and NOT a right. I guess he as a different version of the Constitution than I do.

[Tha Criddler]

I was just curious what the "Hang'em From the Nearest Tree!" in your signature meant?

[Cigar Diva]

Originally Posted by Tha Criddler

I was just curious what the "Hang'em From the Nearest Tree!" in your signature meant?

I'm a Texan with a strong belief in our founding fathers belief in limited government, tradition, and history. Texas has such a rich history of individual independence, self reliance, and standing up for our individual right, beliefs, and traditions, and to now have to spend hours upon hours fighting for what our forefathers have already fought for, just pops my cork.

Between "State-Wide" smoking bans and now the proposed Federal "EXISE" tax to fund NATIONALIZED HEALTH CARE under the heading of "IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN", that if passed with the proposed floor tax, will put me out of business overnight. YEA, "HANG'EM (our elected officials) FROM THE NEAREST TREE!" At this point, I do not know if I will have a business in 4 shorts months from now and EVERYTHING my husband and I have worked all of our lives to build along with our entire life savings could possible evaporate overnight and we could find ourselves in more debt than we can ever pay off due to legislation to fund health care for children that I did not have and do think I should have to support. The current proposed legislation would fund healthcare for children of families making $80,000/year of less from birth to age 25 (even if they get married) and I won't even mention the illegal aliens that this funds.

I have only ONE question for our elected officials. How is putting me out of business going to fund ANYTHING?