California Banning Smoking in Car with a Minor

[Chas-cl]

According to Associated Press, California has just passed a law prohibiting smoking in an automobile in the presents of a minor. More

[mansonicman]

Ok take it easy on the Govenator, he's still the man, what Govenor does anyone know that had a cigar room put in the capitol? NONE...!!!!

[marccote]

Originally Posted by Chas

According to Associated Press, California has just passed a law prohibiting smoking in an automobile in the presents of a minor. More

Sorry I would have to agree, smoking in the car with children is got to be one of the lowest things a parent could do to a child, including smoking in a house with them present, children have enough to worry about growing up in this world then their parents choking the shit out of them with smoke.

Father of 4 and I smoke outside the house and not in the car with the kids only smoke in my own truck which the kids do not ride in at all.

[marccote]

:errrr:
anybody stupid enough to let their child inhale second hand smoke should spend some time some where they could be abused for about 18 years by bubba .
how stupid are people nowadays

[mansonicman]

I have to agree with you brother. Any adult that is completely stupid enough to smoke in a car (small closed enviotment) should not only get a fine but have his or her backside kicked properly......

[happy1]

Originally Posted by marccote

Sorry I would have to agree, smoking in the car with children is got to be one of the lowest things a parent could do to a child, including smoking in a house with them present, children have enough to worry about growing up in this world then their parents choking the shit out of them with smoke.

Father of 4 and I smoke outside the house and not in the car with the kids only smoke in my own truck which the kids do not ride in at all.

the government should/does not have the right to tell you what to do in/on/around private property,It starts there and snowballs on till we are all a communist country

[marccote]

there is not a place on earth that there are not laws, communist, socialistic, or democratic. They are to protect and serve all humans for and from each other, if there were no laws I could sit outside in my yard and make a toxic waste site, start a cocaine or meth lab, I could even start firing my 50 caliber wherever I choose, if you think that you have the right to harm children in any manner spite you even bringing them into this world ,, THIS LAW IS MADE FOR YOU,, and the harsher the penalty the better, it is bad enough that most children do not get the safety they deserve in this world, because of somebody claiming their rights are being violated, when it comes to harming children there is no such thing as your right to do so regardless if you own the world. Obvious it is the non parents that will oppose this law or those who are too stupid to realize you dont have a right to harm children regardless of whether you are the biological parent or not, there are way too many states that let child abuse go to far before they take it serious. I can tell you of one paticular child that comes home with cigarette burns on them. marks around their neck and elsewhere and all the state or police says is maybe the child should behave (WI). I personally believe that any crime against a child should be a felony at the least if not a capital offense. NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO ABUSE A CHILD AND NOT ALLOWING THEM TO BREATH FREELY IS ABUSE. Glad to see California sees it that way and I hope other states follow suit, even make a federal law like they should for child abuse. And if you think you own private property well then try stop paying tax on it or not paying your registration fees on your car, see how far you last with your private property then and how much you can do with it.

[mansonicman]

I concur whole heartdley, i am even considering moving back to my beloved South, back to By God Alabama. I hate it out here, and i do not use that word all willy nilly. I can not stand the liberal aholes here, and where this state is headed. california is on the forefront of forcing it's inhabitants move eslewhere due to all these dunmbass laws these idiots are passing. I am one of those who are considering moving. 3,500 a month for a house note is insane........and that is in a bad neighborhood

[GotaCohiba-cl]

Ok Gents,

Being from Pageland,SC the world capital of red necks and white trash even I think that anyone smoking in a vehicle with a child deserves the death penalty.
Like it or hate it I don't give a damn that's my opinion!!!

NUFF SAID!!!!

[acharpe-cl]

Lot of passionate feelings on this topic. I must say that I am a little confused. There are quite a few things about the EPA's study on secondhand smoke that are dubious at best. A simple google of second hand smoke facts will tell you that. As I am not a scientist, I cannot pretend to be an expert on this matter. While many people have no issue with there being a law against smoking in a car with a minor, most people here bemoan the loss of their rights every day to be able to smoke indoors in public places. There is an inconsistency here. If you look at the following website: http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/f...et/Tobacco/ETS

A study from the US Department of Health and Human Services is cited under item 6 which states:

# What is a safe level of secondhand smoke?

There is no safe level of exposure to secondhand smoke. Studies have shown that even low levels of secondhand smoke exposure can be harmful. The only way to fully protect nonsmokers from secondhand smoke exposure is to completely eliminate smoking in indoor spaces. Separating smokers from nonsmokers, cleaning the air, and ventilating buildings cannot completely eliminate secondhand smoke exposure (4).

If this is the case, wouldn't secondhand smoke be harmful in any public place (and not just a vehicle)? To truly protect our kids, shouldn't there be no opportunity for exposure to secondhand smoke? What is the level of harm that we are comfortable with?

I will be the first to agree that it is a horrible idea to smoke in a car with a minor. My parents did it and I'm sure there are others here that had it happen to them growing up. It was uncomfortable, but I was hardly "strangled." While I don't feel that people that are guilty of this should be executed or sodomized (I hope those were simply statements for hyperbole), I agree that laws should be on the books to protect others. I just feel that it is an extremely slippery slope with laws such as these that "protect the children." This is one of the reasons we've lost many of our smoking rights in the first place. In fact, the reason that the SCHIP cigar tax passed in Congress (and could still possibly override Bush's veto--call your Congressmen) is that SCHIP is there to "protect the children." I guess my question is where the line should be drawn.

PS: It's not just "liberal California" passing laws like this. They already exist in Maine and my home state of Louisiana.

[mansonicman]

Brother California is like the ahole of the world as far as i am concerned when it comes to passing laws. No one that i know of has made a stand to protest these laws. No protests no loud voices. Me i smoke on BART Trains i smoke on buses, i smoke at bus stops, i smoke on train and muni platforms. There rights stops where my begin. California is just plain pitiful, i think i am the only republican out here or atleast the only one that acts like he's got a pair..

Respectfully,

[marccote]

Do not read up on the studies, I am a little too smart to relaize that a study is a says all end of all, I do know that my couisn and my next door neighbor are both allergic to tobacco smoke, funny but it is only tobacco smoke as my neighbor is a fireman and was presented with firmena of the year award for crystalizing his helmet shield this year along with another firefighter who had saved a live in Rocky Point while vactioning off duty. Fact is that tobaco smoke is harmful and those who woudl rather not breathe it in shoudl have that opputunity, children do not have that right it seems by some idiot parents who think it si okay to smoke up the car with them in it, The law is listed as a secondary offense so they cannot pull you over for it but if you are pulled over and are smoking in the car you can get a $100 fine. Slap in the hand really, I do beleive in the safety of our kids as they are our future, SCHIP bill was an idiotic bill the way it was made, I have yet to meet a manufacturer or anyone that says that childrens helath coverage is a huge issue, just look at the new federal mandate to pull off all the over the counter under 2 years old cold medication, the probelm was the way the idiots thoought it could be funded. I listened to a gaving drunk at the RTDa about the bill and they had no idea what the bill meant other than to raise taxes on cigars, SCHIP is a must in this countyr, even Cuba has a helath program for underpriveleged children granted it si not much but it is something. Sometimes we cant see the benefits through all the smoke, No pun intended.

[GotaCohiba-cl]

Originally Posted by mansonicman

Brother California is like the ahole of the world as far as i am concerned when it comes to passing laws. No one that i know of has made a stand to protest these laws. No protests no loud voices. Me i smoke on BART Trains i smoke on buses, i smoke at bus stops, i smoke on train and muni platforms. There rights stops where my begin. California is just plain pitiful, i think i am the only republican out here or atleast the only one that acts like he's got a pair..

Respectfully,

[SIZE="6"]OMG a REPUBLICAN in CALIFORNIA what has the world come to?[/SIZE]

There are plenty of us REP's in SC

[mansonicman]

Crap Crap Crap Crap Crap, We allrady have to many damm free programs. The children in our country are the most well taken care of children in the world. Even those without parents are taken care of better than most. Don't get me wrong i am not negating our childrens health care, i am simply stating they are the most well taken care of children in the world.

Respectfully,

[mansonicman]

Yes Yes Yes I am republican and probably the only one that has a pair out here.