"Attractive to Children" - illegal

[JazzItUp4u]

I am against children smoking any form of tobacco product. However, I don't believe that making some forms of tobacco less accesable to all people is going to solve any problems. I think that retailers need to simply enforce the underage laws that are already in place. Why should an informed adult tobacco user be kept from enjoying a cigarette, cigar, snus, or any other tobacco product? The bottom line is that I believe that government needs to stay out of our personal lives! It is true that society should play a role in protecting the young, but is it not the primary role of parents to perform this function? Leave the informed adult smokers alone, and enforce the laws that prohibit the sale to minors.

[Plop007]

i love torch lighters and espeically shiny lighters haha.

Well even though I am 18 I love this new world I am in of Cigars it is beautiful.

A lot of kids at my school smoke cigarettes that are underage. I think it sucks that they are but whos going to stop em?

We all need to unite together to stop the antis.

[eyesack]

DON'T LET THE MAN GET YOU DOWN!!!! So; it appears apparent that we've come to an agreement that something needs to be done, action-wise. Where do we go from here?
Should we start a petition? Picket outside of our local B&Ms? Spam our congressmen? I'm very new to this, as I'm sure some others are. I propose we start a new thread and discuss possible routes of action.

[Delsana]

Originally Posted by eyesack

DON'T LET THE MAN GET YOU DOWN!!!! So; it appears apparent that we've come to an agreement that something needs to be done, action-wise. Where do we go from here?
Should we start a petition? Picket outside of our local B&Ms? Spam our congressmen? I'm very new to this, as I'm sure some others are. I propose we start a new thread and discuss possible routes of action.

The first step would be to have a large signed petition or notice of your grievances and disagreements, for a particular state (the largest group would be best, as lesser signed documents going to each congressman would be useless) and send it to a sympathizing state representative. If it survives, it will go to Congress.

Republicans will be for you.

Democrats will not.

(Despite their personal belief, they will act in the interest of the state and government, NOT in the interest of the public opinion. What's best for them... it's all a very dirty and greedy game within the chambers)

This reminds me so much of Liberalism vs Conversatism...

[madurolover]

Originally Posted by Delsana

The first step would be to have a large signed petition or notice of your grievances and disagreements, for a particular state (the largest group would be best, as lesser signed documents going to each congressman would be useless) and send it to a sympathizing state representative. If it survives, it will go to Congress.

Republicans will be for you.

Democrats will not.

(Despite their personal belief, they will act in the interest of the state and government, NOT in the interest of the public opinion. What's best for them... it's all a very dirty and greedy game within the chambers)

This reminds me so much of Liberalism vs Conversatism...

Please read the rules regarding political discussion.

[Delsana]

Originally Posted by madurolover

Please read the rules regarding political discussion.

I was under the impression I could at least state what one would have to do?

[madurolover]

Originally Posted by Delsana

I was under the impression I could at least state what one would have to do?

Of course you can. However when you start talking about Democrat, Republican, Liberal, Conservative then you are, at the least, inviting political discussion.

I will not argue with you about this any longer. You can put the shovel down and quit with all the tobacco bashing rhetoric, trying to sneak politics into discussion, and generally trying to be argumentative or not, it is your call!

This will be my last reply to you about this.

[eyesack]

Lol they should start making clove-cigarillos. Apparently a 'cigarette' is anything with tobacco inside and not tobacco outside lol. A 'cigar' is a tobacco inside and tobacco outside.

[Snake Hips]

Originally Posted by eyesack

Lol they should start making clove-cigarillos. Apparently a 'cigarette' is anything with tobacco inside and not tobacco outside lol. A 'cigar' is a tobacco inside and tobacco outside.

Djarum did this. They're selling all their products still, but they wrapped them in homogenized tobacco paper and called them clove cigars.

I love kreteks, and just as I was getting into exploring them they get banned.

@Delsana
Regardless of your stance on cigarettes, I think we need to fight for the rights of tobacco users of all types. I/we may disagree with certain forms of tobacco, but that shouldn't mean we should be divisive and defend only our personal tobacco choices. A government strike against any tobacco user is a strike against all tobacco users.

[eyesack]

True, this I just found out today while hanging out at my local spot. I LOL'D a little, too, because I told the guy in front of me to buy 'em while you can, as he was considering buying a pack of Dj Blacks, and then bought 2 out of urgency. Then the shopkeeper, this young man, and I started talking about the clove-ban and then the shopkeeper pointed out that they have clove 'cigars' now. Whoops, oh well, at least I helped my B&M up-sell a little bit lol

[Smdmmfd]

people walk in my b&M all the time asking for the Kreteks, but kreteks no more damn it,