SCHIP Casualties...

[Zarathustra19]

Maybe the liberals should stop legislating health for a second and fix the economy first, then go back to expanding the welfare state.

Wait...isn't it ironic that liberals want to ban smoking (in effect telling me what I can do with my body) but they jump on anyone who even mentions that Roe v. Wade could have been decided wrongly like a pack of rabid dogs? Yet another double standard.

*disclaimer: I in no way either support or oppose the ruling of the Roe v. Wade court (gotta keep P.C.)

[mdman]

dont forget, the price increases are wholesale.... so you can look foward to much higher than $1. also, some companies will be adding even more of a price increase at the same time to make up for lost sales...

[FN in MT]

Welcome to the Democratic Nanny State. It's going to be a VERY long next two to four years.

I'm getting hit by this BS on THREE fronts. In no particular order...

I've always enjoyed being informed,especially on things political. Currently the vast majority of the Media is in Obamas pocket, so having to sift through the crap for the truth has gotten tiresome.

My beloved cigars are going to go UP in price to fund another "throw our money in a deep hole" Govt program.

I've shot competitive shotgun and handgun sports for years. NO way that hobby is going to come out of a Democratic majority unscathed. They are going to either TAX me out of that hobby or LICENSE/REGULATE me out of it.

With the Nanny State it's REALLY not actually helping people or saving lives....it's about the PERCEPTION that the Demos/Libs are actually DOING something.

Only thing that makes me happy is ordering sticks BEFORE the tax hits us......makes me feel like I'm SCREWIN' Obama a little.....off to the Famous Site for another order....

FN in MT

[LibertyToad]

Yeah, it's a mess. YoBama rushes in his spending package since it is such an "emergency" and then jets off here to Chicago for a 3-day weekend. So much for the "emergency". It never was an emergency in the first place anyway, since most of the spending won't occur for another 18 months.

It could be worse, you could live here in Chicago. The home of corrupt politicians and the Democratic Machine.

It's going to be a long 4 years....

[strider72]

Originally Posted by LibertyToad

Yeah, it's a mess...

It's going to be a long 4 years....

Understatement of the decade...

[PerpetualNoob]

I have noticed a distinct lack of outrage at what will happen to all the thousands of Central American and Caribbean cigar rollers, who are overwhelmingly women. If we can agree to the premise that the factories will have no choice but to cut staff, is it a big logical leap to assume that some non-zero number out of those thousands will be faced with the decision to either prostitute themselves, or watch their children starve to death?

S-CHIP? A total scam, a punitive taxation plan against a powerless minority, in order to provide health care insurance for the children of people who make more money than you do.

Seriously. Supporting the S-CHIP fraud is the same as admitting that you don't care what happens to poor women and children, unless they're American and look like you.

This just occurred to me, though: Some of them will probably come into the US illegally with their whole family, where, for doing nothing more than breathing, they will then be eligible for Welfare, Food Stamps, and, ironically, S-CHIP for their kids.

[Snake Hips]

Originally Posted by PerpetualNoob

I have noticed a distinct lack of outrage at what will happen to all the thousands of Central American and Caribbean cigar rollers, who are overwhelmingly women. If we can agree to the premise that the factories will have no choice but to cut staff, is it a big logical leap to assume that some non-zero number out of those thousands will be faced with the decision to either prostitute themselves, or watch their children starve to death?

S-CHIP? A total scam, a punitive taxation plan against a powerless minority, in order to provide health care insurance for the children of people who make more money than you do.

Seriously. Supporting the S-CHIP fraud is the same as admitting that you don't care what happens to poor women and children, unless they're American and look like you.

This just occurred to me, though: Some of them will probably come into the US illegally with their whole family, where, for doing nothing more than breathing, they will then be eligible for Welfare, Food Stamps, and, ironically, S-CHIP for their kids.

You make a very good point. Thanks for expanding my thinking on this subject.

[truckinusa]

Originally Posted by Snake Hips

You make a very good point. Thanks for expanding my thinking on this subject.

I love the Finck 1893. It is a newer blend. Full Bodied. Think I am going to order a box before this nonsense starts. Linky :

[truckinusa]

Originally Posted by sboyajian

I'm tempted to buy something from Finck just to help them through it.

1893 or Travis club. My favorites. Cheap too. For now.

[ade06]

Originally Posted by LibertyToad

It's going to be a long 4 years....

It can't be any longer than the 8 years which got us into this mess to begin with.

[FN in MT]

Originally Posted by ade06

It can't be any longer than the 8 years which got us into this mess to begin with.

I'm not posting to get into a pissin' match over politics....But DO remember that the same SCHIP tax Bill was on President Bush's desk TWICE and he refused to sign it.

FN in MT

[Puro_Angler]

Originally Posted by PerpetualNoob

S-CHIP? A total scam, a punitive taxation plan against a powerless minority, in order to provide health care insurance for the children of people who make more money than you do.

Not necessarily. Those people who make more money than you do will have to pay an out of pocket expense to cover premiums and/or co-pays. CHIP is not medicaid. Parents, depending on income and household size, will pay certain amounts based on a sliding scale. Of course, this varies state to state and is the current way things are running. I don't know whether this will change or not based on the new plan. Also keep in mind that CHIP insurance is an alternative to standard health insurance, which is expensive and to a certain degree, useless. Standard health insurance often denies or limits the amount of treatment a child (and adults) gets to minimize expenditures.
I understand that the SCHIP bill will severly impact our hobby and pleasure, but lets look at the big picture -- Millions of uninsured children. I work for a non-profit organization that treats children in desperate need of care, most who are uninsured and have no place else to go. Most of the time treatments per child are few and we must rely on parents/caregivers heeding our advice and doing the best they can at home.
An even bigger picture: The staggeing amount of children being diagnosed with autism or in the group of autism spectrum disorders. I'm sure many of you have heard something about autism within the past few years. There's a reason for that -- 1 in 150 children are diagnosed with the disorder. If you've never met or seen a person with ASD, chances are you will soon. The causes of autism are still very debatable and I will leave it at that, I think I've said enough.
This is a very hard line to draw for me, as I'm a passionate cigar smoker. However, I'm more concerned about the rising number of sick kids. I say lets give this a chance and see what happens.

[truckinusa]

Originally Posted by Puro_Angler

Not necessarily. Those people who make more money than you do will have to pay an out of pocket expense to cover premiums and/or co-pays. CHIP is not medicaid. Parents, depending on income and household size, will pay certain amounts based on a sliding scale. Of course, this varies state to state and is the current way things are running. I don't know whether this will change or not based on the new plan. Also keep in mind that CHIP insurance is an alternative to standard health insurance, which is expensive and to a certain degree, useless. Standard health insurance often denies or limits the amount of treatment a child (and adults) gets to minimize expenditures.
I understand that the SCHIP bill will severly impact our hobby and pleasure, but lets look at the big picture -- Millions of uninsured children. I work for a non-profit organization that treats children in desperate need of care, most who are uninsured and have no place else to go. Most of the time treatments per child are few and we must rely on parents/caregivers heeding our advice and doing the best they can at home.
An even bigger picture: The staggeing amount of children being diagnosed with autism or in the group of autism spectrum disorders. I'm sure many of you have heard something about autism within the past few years. There's a reason for that -- 1 in 150 children are diagnosed with the disorder. If you've never met or seen a person with ASD, chances are you will soon. The causes of autism are still very debatable and I will leave it at that, I think I've said enough.
This is a very hard line to draw for me, as I'm a passionate cigar smoker. However, I'm more concerned about the rising number of sick kids. I say lets give this a chance and see what happens.

I just think that the tax should be spread evenly. Where do cigars and children coincide?

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Enrollment Fees (for 12-month enrollment period): Charge

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At or below 150 % of FPL $0
Above 150% up to and including 185% of FPL $35
Above 185% up to and including 200% of FPL $50

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Co-Pays (per visit):
At or below 100% of FPL Charge

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Office Visit $3
Non-Emergency ER $3
Generic Drug $0
Brand Drug $3
Cost-sharing Cap 1.25% (of family’s income)*
Facility Co-pay, Inpatient $10

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Above 100% up to and including 150% of FPL Charge

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Office Visit $5
Non-Emergency ER $5
Generic Drug $0
Brand Drug $5
Cost-sharing Cap 1.25% (of family’s income)*
Facility Co-pay, Inpatient (per admission) $25

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Above 150% up to and including 185% of FPL Charge

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Office Visit $7
Non-Emergency ER $50
Generic Drug $5
Brand Drug $20
Cost-sharing Cap 2.5% (of family’s income)*
Facility Co-pay, Inpatient (per admission) $50

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Above 185% up to and including 200% of FPL Charge

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Office Visit $10
Non-Emergency ER $50
Generic Drug $5
Brand Drug $20
Cost-sharing Cap 2.5% (of family’s income)*

Facility Co-pay, Inpatient (per admission) $100

Even at 185% to 200% of the Federal Poverty Level the plan is great! I wish I had these copays on my insurance and I have Blue Cross.
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[e-man]

Why don't they just fix health care for everyone like they said they would? Then they wouldn't need to fund SCHIP seperately.

Oh that's right...Obama just said that to get elected. My mistake.

They should tax organized religion. Isn't it their duty to help the poor?

[stfoley]

For anyone interested, here's the CRS report on SCHIP tax increase: http://mirror.wikileaks.morphium.inf...ts/RS22681.pdf

At the least, it offers some insight as to what's going on in the heads of our represenatives.