CI Charging For SCHIP Already

[sboyajian]

Originally Posted by smokeydog

gurkha's got jacked up to.

That's because Gurkha did a $5 per box increase across the board on 3/1/09.

Drew Estate is also adding a 5% increase per box, PLUS the SCHIP tax.

[OracleSmoke]

Something I don't get about the tax on current stock is, from what I can read into the bill and revenue code 5701(a) is that cigars in general are taxed by weight under/over 3lbs per thousand.

Does anyone know where this was translated to a specific dollar amount per cigar?

And how does the current stock tax figure if the taxes are based on weight per thousand? Do they have to ask the manufacturers how much a thousand weigh per model of cigar or did they just figure it with a certain size range and above = a large cigar?

I know they can't weigh the cigars at the retailers 'cause they're already in a box that likely weighs more than the cigars inside... so how are they calculating taxes on current stock? Total count per size?

[Jonesee]

Guys, don't feed the troll. If you get worked up over his comments you have made his day.

When CI gets back to me I will post their response here and share it with everyone.

[Frinkiac7]

I snagged a box from CI tonight at the price it's been listed at for months...glad I beat the SCHIP bump.

[wescoaststogie]

Originally Posted by sboyajian

That's because Gurkha did a $5 per box increase across the board on 3/1/09.

Drew Estate is also adding a 5% increase per box, PLUS the SCHIP tax.

how am i trolling if this guy just confirmed my suspicions that it's not fair to assume that CI is at fault here? because in the case of the Gurkha's that someone tried to stack up the blame with, it obviously was not CI's doing.

but that's okay, keep calling me a troll, when i was just the only one trying to bring some sanity and rationalism to the conversation, while everyone else was all in a panic and ready to assemble the troops

[Jonesee]

Wes, have you read my posts?

Follow the link I provided and please read CI's copy. I didn't write it, they did. I am just asking for clarification. They stated the price increase was because of SCHIP, I didn't. I have tried to be absolutely fair about this and have done everything I know to do to get clarification from them.

This is really a friendly place with a wealth of knowledge. Everyone learns a little and everyone teaches a little. I always believe you don't look for a problem without the obligation of finding an aswer. That is what I am trying to do. Rather than rant about this thread is the most general of ways, help us learn why the ad copy stated that SCHIP was the reason for the price increase.

[ghe]

OracleSmoke - The legislation sets a cap for "large cigars" at about 40 cents per cigar. So there will be no tax higher than that on an individual cigar. As to your question about weights and sizes, basically 99.9% of the hand-rolled cigars you're buying are classified as large cigars. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives oversees it, and the categories are well-known to all the manufacturers, who are the ones initially paying the taxes.

[BlueHavanaII]

Originally Posted by OracleSmoke

Something I don't get about the tax on current stock is, from what I can read into the bill and revenue code 5701(a) is that cigars in general are taxed by weight under/over 3lbs per thousand.

Does anyone know where this was translated to a specific dollar amount per cigar?

And how does the current stock tax figure if the taxes are based on weight per thousand? Do they have to ask the manufacturers how much a thousand weigh per model of cigar or did they just figure it with a certain size range and above = a large cigar?

I know they can't weigh the cigars at the retailers 'cause they're already in a box that likely weighs more than the cigars inside... so how are they calculating taxes on current stock? Total count per size?

Cigars are CLASSED by weight, not TAXED by weight.

[OracleSmoke]

Yah I figured most cigars are "large". I didn't see anything in the legislation that defined the method used.

Either way, a lotta the manufacturers I smoke have said they're not gonna be hitting folks with the tax right away if at all.

It'd be great if we had a running list of manufacturers who've stated they're not raising prices immediately. I saw the videos where Pete Johnson said he wasn't raising his prices.

[Jonesee]

I received a written response from CI today. The text in total follows:


Thank you for passing this along, Bradley. All upper management has been notified.

Kimberly
Customer Service

[ade06]

Originally Posted by Jonesee

I received a written response from CI today. The text in total follows:


Thank you for passing this along, Bradley. All upper management has been notified.

Kimberly
Customer Service

Lol, thank you "upper management" for being on notice of what you (or your sales force) already knows. So that's their best response to getting called out?

[smokeydog]

Originally Posted by sboyajian

That's because Gurkha did a $5 per box increase across the board on 3/1/09.

Drew Estate is also adding a 5% increase per box, PLUS the SCHIP tax.

thanks for the info. i was sort of mad because the park avenue went up 10 bucks a box, so i snared a box of sol cubano maduro last night off of devils

[smokeydog]

Originally Posted by Jonesee

I received a written response from CI today. The text in total follows:


Thank you for passing this along, Bradley. All upper management has been notified.

Kimberly
Customer Service

that seems like a pretty crappy response. what exactly does that mean, there is a problem thanks. they seem to be dropping the ball at ci. i wonder if something changed with there state tax, but they could atleast explain though. the boycott is looking better and better.

[slyder]

[ the boycott is looking better and better.[/quote]

Thank you!! Finally somebody that sees things my way! Lets tear down their empire and start our own up

PS...im kiddin people, Im talkin smack....of course we arent gonna boycott.....at least for now.I like chicken

[scottericsonon]

Originally Posted by smokeydog

that seems like a pretty crappy response. what exactly does that mean, there is a problem thanks. they seem to be dropping the ball at ci. i wonder if something changed with there state tax, but they could atleast explain though. the boycott is looking better and better.

i'm in PA same as CIl(like an hour away)...nothing in our STATE tax changed over the last couple days

scott