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Government and Advocacy Groups Stepping Up Their Game

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    Government and Advocacy Groups Stepping Up Their Game

    Its amazing the PR machine that is in play during the last days of the FDA public notice. While the FDA said they extended the date for more feedback, it has become clear to me that the only reason they extended that date was to get their own study out the door to counter feedback from cigar smokers. It is not a coincidence that this study was published yesterday and everyone is piling on manipulating the resulting statistics for their own agendas. I don't think I believed the premium cigars were going to get regulated, but now I am pretty certain they are.


    Little Filtered Cigar, Cigarillo, and Premium Cigar Smoking Among Adults — United States, 2012–2013


    New Study Finds 17.4 Million U.S. Adults Smoke Cigars, Showing Need For FDA to Regulate All Cigars to Protect Public Health

    Statement of Matthew L. Myers, President, Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids

    Jul. 31 2014
    WASHINGTON, DC – A new government study published today shows that 17.4 million Americans – 7.3 percent of U.S. adults – smoke cigars every day, some days or rarely. This study shows that cigar smoking is a serious public health problem that must be addressed through strategies such as Food and Drug Administration regulation of all cigars and taxation of cigar products at the same rate as cigarettes.
    This study is the latest of several that have demonstrated how the popularity of cigars is undermining overall efforts to reduce smoking in the U.S.
    A new CDC survey released in June (the 2013 Youth Risk Behavior Survey) found that while cigarette smoking continues to decline among high school students, cigar smoking rates have barely budged. As a result, high school boys now smoke cigars at the same rate as cigarettes (16.5 percent for cigars, 16.4 percent for cigarettes), and an alarming 23 percent of male high school seniors smoke cigars (compared to 19.6 percent who smoke cigarettes). Among all high school students, 12.6 percent were current (past-month) cigar smokers in 2013.
    Sales data also show that overall consumption of cigars is rising. Cigar sales increased by 114 percent between 2000 and 2013 (from six billion to more than 13 billion cigars), while cigarette sales fell by 37 percent. (Data source: U.S. Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau, Tax Statistics)
    These trends come as tobacco companies have exploited regulatory and tax loopholes to promote cigars, often in ways that appeal to kids. Unlike cigarettes, cigars are not currently regulated by the FDA. This has allowed cigars to escape important public health regulations that apply to cigarettes, such as a ban on candy and fruit flavors that attract kids.
    In addition, a 2009 law that increased federal tobacco taxes taxed larger cigars at a lower rate than cigarettes and small cigars. Some manufacturers responded by increasing the weight of their products to qualify for the lower tax rate, with one company going so far as to add a clay material found in kitty litter to its cigars. These tax evasion schemes both encourage tobacco use by reducing prices and cost the government significant revenue. The Government Accountability Office reported earlier this week that such efforts (including both increasing the weight of small cigars and relabeling higher-taxed roll-your-own tobacco as lower-taxed pipe tobacco) have cost the federal government at least $2.6 billion in revenue.
    The FDA and Congress must protect public health by closing these loopholes. The FDA must quickly finalize its proposed rule to regulate all tobacco products, including all cigars, and reject proposals to exempt some “premium cigars” from regulation. Today’s study shows that approximately 3.6 million adult cigar smokers (19.9 percent of all cigar smokers) usually smoke premium cigars, so any exemption would create a huge loophole and put the health of millions of Americans at risk. All cigar smokers should have the benefit of basic, common-sense regulations, such as disclosure of ingredients and appropriate warning labels about health risks. Any exemption would also invite tobacco companies to manipulate their products to qualify for the exemption and escape regulation, as they have done in the past.
    In addition, Congress should equalize taxes on all tobacco products at the same rate as cigarettes to eliminate incentives for tax evasion. States with tobacco tax disparities should do the same.
    In another troubling finding, today’s study finds that, regardless of the type of cigar they smoke, nearly 60 percent or more of cigar smokers are either current or former cigarette smokers. Reiterating previous findings from the National Cancer Institute (NCI), the study states, “Cigar smokers that are current or former smokers are more likely to report inhaling cigar smoke, putting them at particularly high risk for tobacco-related diseases.”
    According to NCI, cigar smoking causes cancer of the oral cavity, larynx, esophagus and lung, and cigar smokers are at increased risk for an aortic aneurysm. Daily cigar smokers, particularly those who inhale, have an increased risk of heart disease and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD).
    It is imperative that the FDA and Congress take action to address the health risks posed by cigar smoking and prevent the growth in cigar smoking from undermining overall efforts to reduce tobacco use, the nation’s number one cause of preventable death.
    The new study was conducted by researchers at the CDC, FDA and Rutgers School of Public Health. It was published in the CDC journal Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDSPHOTO View Post
    It was published in the CDC journal Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report[/URL].[/COLOR]
    That would be a great name for a garage punk band

    A previous mentor once taught me "beware of anyone bearing statistics". I don't generally believe the ones provided by the government, and I don't particularly believe those cited by smokers (particularly the infamous Surgeon General's pipe study of the 60s that claimed pipe smokers live longer than non-smokers). The most troubling finding to me, out of all these studies, is the amount of money pissed away on a daily basis to finance them.

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    Unbelievable.
    “ I believe in courtesy, the ritual by which we avoid hurting other people's feelings by satisfying our own egos. ”— Kenneth Clark

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDSPHOTO View Post
    Some manufacturers responded by increasing the weight of their products to qualify for the lower tax rate, with one company going so far as to add a clay material found in kitty litter to its cigars.
    Well, that tears it. Please, big government, regulate those bastards! Cuz if you say it, it must be true and I'm shore not smart nuff to just not buy that crap.

    Give me a break..

    We're boned.

    Better stock up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDSPHOTO View Post
    New Study Finds 17.4 Million U.S. Adults Smoke Cigars, Showing Need For FDA to Regulate All Cigars to Protect Public Health

    Statement of Matthew L. Myers, President, Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids

    Jul. 31 2014
    Quote Originally Posted by MDSPHOTO View Post
    WASHINGTON, DC – A new government study published today shows that 17.4 million Americans – 7.3 percent of U.S. adults – smoke cigars every day, some days or rarely. This study shows that cigar smoking is a serious public health problem that must be addressed through strategies such as Food and Drug Administration regulation of all cigars and taxation of cigar products at the same rate as cigarettes.
    Am I the only one to see the obvious hypocrisy here? "Tobacco free kids?!?" What the hell does that have to do with tobacco using adults??

    But really folks, does anyone here still think this ISN'T going to happen? This 'public comment' period was and is nothing more than smoke and mirrors to dupe the stupid into thinking the government actually gives a sh!t about what they think. There is HUGE money to be made by 'regulating' cigars and our nanny-state government is perpetually bankrupt. This is GOING to happen; doesn't matter if NOBODY wants it.
    there is no folly of the beast of the earth which is not infinitely outdone by the madness of men

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperor Zurg View Post
    Am I the only one to see the obvious hypocrisy here? "Tobacco free kids?!?" What the hell does that have to do with tobacco using adults??

    But really folks, does anyone here still think this ISN'T going to happen? This 'public comment' period was and is nothing more than smoke and mirrors to dupe the stupid into thinking the government actually gives a sh!t about what they think. There is HUGE money to be made by 'regulating' cigars and our nanny-state government is perpetually bankrupt. This is GOING to happen; doesn't matter if NOBODY wants it.
    I am afraid you are right. Where has CRA been as a counter balance to all this nonsense? Unless I've missed something, I have not seen any response from them on all the last few rounds fired by the Gov't and their cronies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDSPHOTO View Post
    I am afraid you are right. Where has CRA been as a counter balance to all this nonsense? Unless I've missed something, I have not seen any response from them on all the last few rounds fired by the Gov't and their cronies.
    Well the CRA going up against the ever-bloating Federal Government is a lot like the fireflies that went up against my windshield on the way home last night. **SPLAT!** Safe to say the last thing that went thru their mind was their rectum. The Fed wants this money grab. They can taste all those dollars already - probably have them spent already. The CRA is just shoveling sh!t against the tide and they likely know it. If they don't already know it, they're about to find out.

    Stock up while you can!!!

    And don't you Habanos smokers think you're going to get out of this unscathed. When this all comes to a head and a 2 dollar yard gar now costs upwards of 12 bucks, millions of guys like me - who right now have little to no interest in the ISOM - are going to be looking elsewhere for better, more affordable smokes... smokes that aren't taxed to death because they're 'under the radar' so to speak. I bet this will have a similar effect to a sudden lifting of the trade embargo, at least in part.
    there is no folly of the beast of the earth which is not infinitely outdone by the madness of men

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperor Zurg View Post
    And don't you Habanos smokers think you're going to get out of this unscathed. When this all comes to a head and a 2 dollar yard gar now costs upwards of 12 bucks, millions of guys like me - who right now have little to no interest in the ISOM - are going to be looking elsewhere for better, more affordable smokes... smokes that aren't taxed to death because they're 'under the radar' so to speak. I bet this will have a similar effect to a sudden lifting of the trade embargo, at least in part.
    I thought about this as well. People will likely turn to these cigars as a cheaper alternative.

    Agree with everyone here who thinks the regulation is going to happen regardless. Grab your ankles boys and girls...
    A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. - Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDSPHOTO View Post
    7.3 percent of U.S. adults – smoke cigars every day, some days or rarely.

    high school boys now smoke cigars at the same rate as cigarettes (16.5 percent for cigars, 16.4 percent for cigarettes), and an alarming 23 percent of male high school seniors smoke cigars (compared to 19.6 percent who smoke cigarettes). Among all high school students, 12.6 percent were current (past-month) cigar smokers in 2013.[/COLOR]
    7.3% of adults; I thought being an adult gave you the right to make such decisions!!
    7.3% of approximately 250 million = a huge problem?? Come on!!

    And I'm sure these high school kids are not smoking "premium" cigars!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias Lutz View Post
    "beware of anyone bearing statistics".
    statistics = politicians best friend because of it's ease of skew-ability.

    Quote Originally Posted by Emperor Zurg View Post
    Am I the only one to see the obvious hypocrisy here? "Tobacco free kids?!?" What the hell does that have to do with tobacco using adults??

    But really folks, does anyone here still think this ISN'T going to happen? This 'public comment' period was and is nothing more than smoke and mirrors to dupe the stupid into thinking the government actually gives a sh!t about what they think. There is HUGE money to be made by 'regulating' cigars and our nanny-state government is perpetually bankrupt. This is GOING to happen; doesn't matter if NOBODY wants it.
    Quote Originally Posted by MDSPHOTO View Post
    I am afraid you are right. Where has CRA been as a counter balance to all this nonsense? Unless I've missed something, I have not seen any response from them on all the last few rounds fired by the Gov't and their cronies.
    It does seem inevitable!
    Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail!!!

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    Gotta love the Government saying someone is exploiting loopholes. I actually thought the percentage of Cigar Smokers would have been higher so maybe the actual numbers will backfire for them but unfortunately I doubt that. The thing people need to realize is that even if you don;t smoke cigars them doing something like this is bad for everyone. It's just one more freedom they've taken away and they will just keep going. Really is amazing when you think about it and how we've become basically what we fought so hard to free ourselves from so long ago.

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    The problem with statistics is that people seem to readily accept numbers as fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brimy623 View Post
    statistics = politicians best friend because of it's ease of screw-ability.
    Fixed it

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    Anti's need something to attack. You saw it when they went after cigarettes. Big Tobacco just rolled over and let it happen, as cigar smokers we watched and thought at least it isnt us.

    But thats the thing, each new law that is created doesnt end it. Its just the next step. They will then think of the next aspect to go after and beat into submission. On and on, until they are here after us. It doesn't end at taxation, or smoking in buildings, or smoking in public parks, or even when we are required to only smoke in our private little box with proper ventilation and air scrubbers to prevent any second hand smoke from entering the atmosphere.

    It ends when they get rid of all tobacco products....period.

    We fight the same craziness with anti hunting and anti guns.....they dont want regulation they want complete removal.

    Until we change our government leaders to leaders who want smaller government. We will continue to have our leaders decide for us what is ok for us to partake in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trackmyer View Post
    We fight the same craziness with anti hunting and anti guns.....they dont want regulation they want complete removal.

    Until we change our government leaders to leaders who want smaller government. We will continue to have our leaders decide for us what is ok for us to partake in.
    there is no folly of the beast of the earth which is not infinitely outdone by the madness of men

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperor Zurg View Post
    Indeed !!!

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