I have a notebook I keep information about blends and manufacturers.
The information you bolded came from the Ottawa Pipe Club website. As I said before I'm not allowed to post links but the URL is
It starts with http(colon)(slash)(slash)
Sorry for the convoluted way to give you the link but it wouldn't allow me to do it any other way.
I hope it works. There are some interesting articles there.
That's an awesome link. One of the most complete and accurate (according to what I think
myself and others have figured out by going through tins in personal collections that we know the purchase dates and sources of) about what Dunhill tins are Murray tins and those that are Orlik. It's one of those things that will always contain a grey area due to how the swap was handled. When they send the tobaccos and tins to Orlik, as virtually all sources report they did, there will most definitely be an overlap which causes uncertainty. There also most certainly has to be a difference in these blends to someone with an exceptional palate I would think. Even the un-tinned Murray blended tobacco that made the trip to Denmark would've been subject to a different environment that would have to alter it. I don't think that most of us, myself included, could tell much difference if put to the test blind. The article is correct in that basically the day this info hit the pipe forums many felt that Dunhill tobacco was "no good" anymore. If you talk to many of the old timers that enjoyed the Dunhill blended tobacco they'll tell you that the Murray blended was inferior. Who knows? I suspect that they're all right to a point. I imagine as sources of component tobaccos changed and bigger businesses made the blending more automated and less personal quality has fell off somewhat through the years. Just speculation on my part. It's also an impossible comparison to compare today's Orlik stuff to Murray tins with 5+ years age, much less Dunhill tins with 30+ years on them. It's just gonna be different due to the aging if nothing else IMO.
To bring this all back around to the tin that started this thread, I still feel it most likely isn't a Murray blended tin. I think the label is too modern and it's just too new for Murray's tobacco to have lasted that long in the Orlik plant. I admit no one can be certain because of the grey area mentioned above. There was for sure a time when it's anyone's guess though and perhaps this one is from that time. I know if I thought I needed Murray's I wouldn't be laying out the big bucks for this one. Just too many things against it IMO with the information I have at hand at the moment.
I'll ask once more for curiousity's sake.....do you believe this to be a Murray's tin from information you have in your sources, and if so, why? Half of what I've come to rely on for determining Murray tobacco in the U.S. would not even exist on this tin. That is the sticker placed on the backside by the U.S. importer. The other is the shape of the bottom half of the tin. As stated in the article you linked, the tins were changed by Orlik and the shape is noticeably different on the bottom of the bottom half. I feel the distribution sticker is the most sure-fire way to know which blender you have. I think there was likely some Murray tobacco in the system after the tins changed and and the distributor did as well, but am fairly confident that the tobaccos that hit here before those changes (primarily distributorship) were Murray blended.
Here is the link for those interested. It's well worth the read. I guess if this interests you it is anyway. Lot's of good, accurate information here gathered into one spot for those of you with an interest who weren't around during all this happening the last few years.
Ottawa Pipe Club